| Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | I think my taste is so sensitive, I could tell a difference after one day. Most effects of radiation are felt after the first two weeks, in some immediately. Good luck next week.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 269 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 269 | Hey Ambra - mine changed the second week of treatment. Like Paul said, it's different for everyone. It's important to find something you can get down. Maybe Christine's milkshake recipe? Lots of calories, have you seen it? If not I think I might have it. I'll look and pm it to you.
Nancy (53 at dx) Metastatic SCC. Stage III. HPV positive with occult primary. N1, no ecs 7/1/11 - L-Selective neck dissection. Tonsillectomy. All clean. No rad, no chemo. 5/29/13 - Found primary 7/3/13 - TORS 7/8/13 - Emergency Surgery/Blood vessel burst in throat 8/9/13 - Peg in 9/3/13 - Radiation starts 30 IMRT, 60gy BOT, 56gy both sides of neck 10/14/13 - Radiation ended! 11/12/13 - PEG out!
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Your sense of taste has held out about a week longer than most. Ive seen many OC patients begin to say their sense of taste started to go around week 2 or 3. Its gradual. One day something tastes fine and then the next you would swear it was salted burnt charcoal. Even water will have an off taste. I hated drinking water due it it tasting to me like salt or like it was burnt. This might help you. Each shake has at least 2000 calories. You can make it thick or thin depending on how much milk you add. Its ok to drink 2 or even 3 per day. Many days when I was recovering I drank 2 or 3 until I counted up the calories and was shocked. Some days I would take in over 7000 calories and I was struggling to keep weight on. That is an example of how hard a patients body has to work to rebuild itself after undergoing rads and chemo treatments for OC. You are about at the point where you may begin to have a few bad days here and there. Unless you are one of the lucky few who sail right thru. Your intake every single day is what will make things easier or harder. No matter how rough it gets, every single day take in a minimum of 2500 calories and 48 oz of water. If doing chemo push even higher amounts of water right around chemo days. (All measurements are estimates) Giant High Calorie Choc-Peanut Butter Milkshake3 or 4 cups chocolate ice cream (regular/full fat type) 2 tablespoons peanut butter (smooth type) 2 tablespoons chocolate syrup 1 or 2 cups whole milk (can substitute half and half to add even more calories) 1 scoop carnation instant breakfast 1 scoop high protein whey powder
Blend this extra long to make it very smooth and creamy so it goes down easier. Another thing that should help is the List of Easy to Eat Foods. Hang in there, we got your back  ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 94 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 94 | Thank you so much for all the advice! Christine, I will make sure to try that chocolate shake. I am getting plenty of liquids these days, but calories are a bit harder.
The thing about the taste is, it was already messed up from TORS (couldn't taste some/most sweets) and it recovered a little, but never quite right. So now it started getting worse, plus I can not taste salt anymore either. I can taste bitter/sour just fine, too bad those did not go away first. I really hope water will keep tasting normal.
36, female, left tonsil HPV+ SCC, T2N1 8/28/13 SCC in left tonsil 9/12/13 surgery:TORS and selective neck dissection (levels II-IV), 23 nodes removed 9/18/13 post surgery biopsy: 2mm clear margins, a 7mm lymph node positive in level IV, no ECL 10/28/13 rad begins, 30 treatments, tomotherapy 12/09/13 radiation ends! 2/10/14 papillary thyroid cancer 2/26/14 PET shows clear neck other than thyroid cancer, but with high uptake in an ovarian cyst 2/27/14 thyroidectomy 3/5/14 pelvic ultrasound
| | | | Joined: May 2013 Posts: 188 Likes: 4 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: May 2013 Posts: 188 Likes: 4 | I can vouch for the shake and wish I had this early on. Keep trying foods with the understanding all is experimental at this point. The shake though should be a staple even though you may not be able to drink all of the time. Water is key and you should do 84 to 100 ounces each day. The side benefit is quicker recovery of swallowing functions. Keep moving forward and tap in to the group's knowledge.
Age 55 HPV 16+ SCC, BOT 050613 Stage IV great team at OSU Tx 6 weeks of rad started June 3 8 weeks of chemo started May 28 RTOG Phase III trial Cetuximab group. Treatment completed 7/16/2013 PET Scan completed 10/08/13 Results discussed 10/11/13 NED - Free but am I Next part of the journey? 1year PET 10/24/14 NED Good reports now 10 years out. | | | | Joined: May 2013 Posts: 134 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: May 2013 Posts: 134 | Try to find scandishake as well. Also heard that strawberry will always have the highest calorie count.
Dx March 2011 via FNA (49 yrs old) SCC BoT HPV+ exact strain unknown Stage IVa T3N2cM0 Cisplatin x 3, IMRT x 40 (7267 cGy) One node removed post-treatment (rad dmg) Clean PET 10/28/11 Swallow therapy | | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 5 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 5 | Its about that time... ;o( bye bye taste buds... they'll be back eventually... hugs.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 559 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 559 Likes: 1 | I'm just about with you Ambra, taste is beginning to go, mouth is hurting a fair amount, throat is still basically okay.
So, now and the next few weeks is the hard part for both of us. The good thing is you should start coming out of it before I do.
Hang in there Ambra, I know it hurts, but we will get through this.
And eventually we will even dance again.
Tony
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Tony, 69, non-smoker, aerobatics pilot, bridge player/teacher, avid dancer (ballroom, latin, swing, country)
09/13 SCC, HPV 16, tonsillectomy, T2N0. 11/13 start rads, no chemo 12/13 taste gone, dry mouth, 02/14 hair slowly returning 05/14 taste the same, dry sinuses, irrigation helps. 01/15 food taste about 60% returned, dry sinuses are worse in winter. 12/20 no more sinus problems, taste pretty good
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 5 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 5 | You guys are both troopers. You will get through it. hugs.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 94 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 94 | Thank you everyone for the all the encouragement.
Christine, I tried your shake two days ago and it was great! (don't know how it would taste today). Can it be refrigerated for up to 24h if one makes too much? My taste is so off I can not tell if something tasted bad/spoiled or not.
I know that everyone is different, but in general, how much time after the radiation does the taste come back (not 100%, but most of it)?
More bad symptoms kicking in: serious burning/sensation on the skin, my mouth burned really bad from the prescription fluoride toothpaste, taste getting really bad really fast... Sigh.
Today was my last day at work for a while, probably for the rest of 2013. Don't have any energy, can not concentrate, it took me 4 weeks to write a conference abstract I would normally finish in one. At least I have submitted it on time.
I apologize for all the venting, feeling pretty down right now.
36, female, left tonsil HPV+ SCC, T2N1 8/28/13 SCC in left tonsil 9/12/13 surgery:TORS and selective neck dissection (levels II-IV), 23 nodes removed 9/18/13 post surgery biopsy: 2mm clear margins, a 7mm lymph node positive in level IV, no ECL 10/28/13 rad begins, 30 treatments, tomotherapy 12/09/13 radiation ends! 2/10/14 papillary thyroid cancer 2/26/14 PET shows clear neck other than thyroid cancer, but with high uptake in an ovarian cyst 2/27/14 thyroidectomy 3/5/14 pelvic ultrasound
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