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#170296 09-01-2013 09:02 PM
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I just had my second PET in 6 months since my latest treatment ended in February. A 1 cm low left axia lymph node had shown up. It has not changed in size but SUV is now 5.4, up from 2 three months ago.

The onclology,radiology and surgeon all concur it's needle biopsy time. I have not had good results with prior FNA as they have always come back negative the first time or two and did not show positive till much later when conditions were much worse. If it is negative, they will just watch for another 3 months until the next PET and I am not comfortable with this.

I have been battling since 2008 and I am running out of treatment options. I have had chemotherapy 3 times, radiation to both sides of my neck and clavicular area, re-irradiation, plus brachytherapy to my tongue.

My latest PET scan indicated all prior surgical areas to be fine! It seems I take care of one area and then it is fine.

I guess I am asking what others have done. My research on here inicated almost all others who have had a left armpit node did turn out to be positive, but there wasn't much posted in the way of treatnment and outcomes.

I am concerned with a few things:
First, needle tracking is what happened with my friend Caco's Father. Can I stir it up if it is encapsulated?
Also, since the size has not increased, but the SUV did, do I act immediately?
I was hoping a doctor would remove just that node as the biopsy instead of the needle biopsy, but they explained they would take many nodes instead of just this one, and I run the risk of lymphedema in my left arm and I am left hand dominant. My other arm is not as it was since the graft and artery was taken for my tongue surgery.
Experience tell me to expect follow up treatment of surgery, chemo, radiation or both if it comes back positive.

I guess it is time to realize now that this will no longer be considered curable.

I realize I am putting the cart before the horse, but I need to try and prepare a game plan of options.
You see, I just returned to work a month after an 8 month absence from the last treatment and I know they won't hold my job for me any longer if I go out again which equates to no more insurance. And I have a wonderful Fiance who just asked me to marry him no matter what! His health insurance will put us financially ruined and I still owe thousands of dollars from prior treatments even with hospital reductions.
We began making wedding plans. We chose a date in June and I have a second hand dress. I am trying to stay as possitive as possible. This is so unfair.....

Thank you for any advice or suggestions.

I have been having trouble posting this and also I was not able to update my signature. I had the total laryngectomy last November.


'08 SCC Rt tongue,part glossect.
'09 Rt neck dissect, 3 Cisplatin, 35 rad.
Aug '11 Rt tongue,hemiglosstmy, Lt neck dissect, forearm flap, 8 Erbitux,30 rad, brachy tongue.
Oct '12 SCC prev stoma site. SCC inside trachea.
Nov '12 total larengectomy, addl neck disect, pec flap
Oct '15 Myelodysplastic Syndrome (form of leukemia)

Dec 8, 2015 passed away peacefully at home surrounded by loved ones
How Cindy wants to be remembered..."I want people to realize I am no longer trapped in this body prison, and I will be free and whole. I want to be remembered by all the good and loving times spent together, not in sadness."
Cindy721 #170297 09-01-2013 09:20 PM
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Cindy,

It is so difficult reading your post. You are absolutely right...it just isn't fair! I am so sorry to hear the latest news. I would gladly trade places with you if it was possible. I have lived a full life and have no regrets and nothing left I want to do. Unfortunately, it isn't quite so easy.

Try to not get ahead of yourself. Let things unfold before you change much in your life. In my case, cancer coming back has not been a worry although I now have multiple terminal diagnoses...all from radiation damage. I could sit around and wonder which one will take me first but I try to just keep on living.

My family doctors did not want me to have a FNAB for a lymph node under my chin that has been cooking for 2 years now. I can't do any more PET scans because of muscle twitching head to toe. I had 4 specimens removed and they all came back negative. I don't think I will be doing any more scans or biopsies at this point.

My thoughts and prayers for you.

Ed


SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0
Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation
Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03
Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08.
Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11
Cervical Myelitis 09/12
Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12
Dysautonomia 11/12
Hospice care 09/12-01/13.
COPD 01/14
Intermittent CHF 6/15
Feeding tube NPO 03/16
VFI 12/2016
ORN 12/2017
Cardiac Event 06/2018
Bilateral VFI 01/2021
Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022
Bilateral VFI 05/2022
Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
Cindy721 #170309 09-02-2013 07:31 AM
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Cindy, I did change your signature to show the 11/12 total larengectomy.

Im so very sorry you are going thru any of this. Its been a never ending battle of one thing after another for you.

Im hoping your docs can do surgery to remove several lymph nodes and that would be the end of this. I know you are concerned about future lymphedema, but the most important thing is to get rid of the cancer before it spreads. The surgeon would probably take many nodes, checking them as they go for cancer. After they get several clear ones they would stop removing them and leave the rest alone.

Im still amazed at your return to work without being able to speak. Your drive and determination has gotten you this far. If anyone can get thru another procedure its you.

Best wishes with everything!!!


Christine
SCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44
2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07
-65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr
Clear PET 1/08
4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I
surg 4/16/08 clr marg
215 HBO dives
3/09 teeth out, trismus
7/2/09 recur, Stg IV
8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy
3wks medicly inducd coma
2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit
PICC line IV antibx 8 mo
10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg
OC 3x in 3 years
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Cindy721 #170310 09-02-2013 09:13 AM
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Your fianc� sure knows the meaning of "in sickness and in health." You got a good one there! : ) Praying all the best wishes for you.


Nancy (53 at dx)
Metastatic SCC. Stage III. HPV positive with occult primary. N1, no ecs
7/1/11 - L-Selective neck dissection. Tonsillectomy. All clean. No rad, no chemo.
5/29/13 - Found primary
7/3/13 - TORS
7/8/13 - Emergency Surgery/Blood vessel burst in throat
8/9/13 - Peg in
9/3/13 - Radiation starts 30 IMRT, 60gy BOT, 56gy both sides of neck
10/14/13 - Radiation ended!
11/12/13 - PEG out!
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hi cindy, your fiance certainly knows the meaning of "in sickness and in health." you got a good one there! praying all the best wishes for you.


Nancy (53 at dx)
Metastatic SCC. Stage III. HPV positive with occult primary. N1, no ecs
7/1/11 - L-Selective neck dissection. Tonsillectomy. All clean. No rad, no chemo.
5/29/13 - Found primary
7/3/13 - TORS
7/8/13 - Emergency Surgery/Blood vessel burst in throat
8/9/13 - Peg in
9/3/13 - Radiation starts 30 IMRT, 60gy BOT, 56gy both sides of neck
10/14/13 - Radiation ended!
11/12/13 - PEG out!
Cindy721 #170325 09-02-2013 12:48 PM
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Hi Cindy,

You've been thru way too much already, and I agree this just isn't fair.

The node may not be cancer, but you know the only way to confirm or rule out is a biopsy. I understand your concerns and it is a tough decision to make. Perhaps seek out another opinion at a different hospital?

IF it is cancer, it is probably better to remove it now than waiting.

I've been to a number of different doctors and hospitals, and at times it was suggested that I wait and see and retest in 3 months. That was really tough, but I did it and the Pet Scan showed there was nothing. I truly hope that is what happens in your case.

Your finance sounds like a gem. Use him for support and discuss your options with him. Your OCF family is here for you also.

Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. (((HUGS)))


Susan

SCC R-Lateral tongue, T1N0M0
Age 47 at Dx, non-smoker, casual drinker, HPV-
Surgery: June 2005
RT: Feb-Apr 2006
HBOT: 45 in 2008; 30 in 2013; 30 in 2022 -> Total 105!
Recurrence/Surgeries: Jan & Apr 2010
Biopsy 2/2011: Moderate dysplasia
Surgery 4/2011: Mild dysplasia
Dental issues: 2013-2022 (ORN)
Cindy721 #170382 09-03-2013 04:47 PM
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You got mail, dear.


Caco
CG to Dad. Biopsy 5/11 non-op, SCC stage IV poorly dif at base of tongue with nodes, quit smoking in '85, ChemoRad began 8/2/11 ended 9/22/11 with NED. Distant mets 11/11, clinical trials. War raging on!
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Hi Cindy,
Years ago I had 3 golf ball sized lymph nodes removed from my left armpit. Short story is they said I had lymphoma. One biopsy in my clavicle area came back negative. A few months later I still didn't feel well so they did more Cts only to have it look worse. Did a PET and said it was stage IV so they removed those nodes. They all came back negative too. After that I said leave me alone! Anyway, all that to say I do have some lymphedema in my left arm, but it's not too bad and only flares up now and then.
Good luck with this.
Kathy


Kathy wife/caregiver to:
Kevin age:53
Dx 7/15/11
HPV16+ SCC Stage IV BOT/R
Non smoker, casual drinker
7/27/11 Cistplatin, taxotere,5FU 2/3week sessions, followed by IMRT 125cgy x 60 (2x daily) w/Erbitux weekly. Last rad 10/26/11. Last Erbitux 10/27/11
PEG placed 9/1/11 Removed 11/8/11
Clear PET 10/12 and 10/13 and ct in 6/14
Cindy721 #170677 09-08-2013 06:23 AM
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Thank you everyone.
I had a diagnostic mammography and ultrasound and it was determined to not be breast cancer related.
It appears to me the left side is the path this has chosen to drain as I had a node at the left clavicular area that we radiated. Nothing shows on the PET, it is gone now.
I am working with my CCC team to try and convince them to remove this and biopsy instead of needle biopsy.
With the way my body has reacted to this cancer I have had too many false negatives and want to be over and done with this while it is still small and insignificant.
I think after awhile we need to reflect and listen to what our bodies and intuitions tell us even though we have wonderful doctors.
I still welcome any other thoughts or suggestions from anyone.
The saga continues.....


'08 SCC Rt tongue,part glossect.
'09 Rt neck dissect, 3 Cisplatin, 35 rad.
Aug '11 Rt tongue,hemiglosstmy, Lt neck dissect, forearm flap, 8 Erbitux,30 rad, brachy tongue.
Oct '12 SCC prev stoma site. SCC inside trachea.
Nov '12 total larengectomy, addl neck disect, pec flap
Oct '15 Myelodysplastic Syndrome (form of leukemia)

Dec 8, 2015 passed away peacefully at home surrounded by loved ones
How Cindy wants to be remembered..."I want people to realize I am no longer trapped in this body prison, and I will be free and whole. I want to be remembered by all the good and loving times spent together, not in sadness."
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So far good news. I think I would rather do a FNAB first, being less invasive, and then a surgical biopsy if inconclusive. Each one's experience is different, and I had 6 FNAB, which were accurate. The risk is low, and adverse spread is rare, and cases that were, were with large core needle biopsy. Good luck.


10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil
11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp
01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks
06/11 30 HBO
08/11 RND PNI
06/12 SND PNI LVI
08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy
10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux
10/13 SND
10/13 TBO/Angiograph
10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI
12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo
11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO
03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN
09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy
04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site
06/17 Heart Attack Stent
02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs






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