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Joined: May 2013 Posts: 24 | Hi,
Can someone explain how one would use a water pic for the thick ropey secretions?
Thanks!
AWW, Brother of Dave, 60
Pre-canc 10 years ago
Biopsy Dentist 10/12
Stage 2 SCC 2.5cm
no action
5/13 to DanaFarber
Examined by Surgeon, MO, RO
PET, CAT
Stage T4, 4.5cm, no METs, or lymph nds
Started treatment 6/17 - RT 5x/wk, Csptn 1/wk, for 7 wks - will end 8/5
PEG since his first week.
Treatment ended 8/5
Scans scheduled for 10/30, with FU appointment 11/6
11/1 - Treatments didn;t work. Tumor continues to grow.
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Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,357 Likes: 5 | Fill the water pic with warm water, lean over the sink, open your mouth and close your eyes. Then you use the water pic everywhere in your mouth and let whatever it drives out head down the drain of the sink. For a second rinse, I often will add some Biotene mouthwash to the warm water. The water pic does not eliminate the secretions, but it does help one to deal with them. And it feels so wonderful to have a clean feeling non-gunky mouth. Caution of course for anyone who has active mouth sores or recently has had surgery or radiation. The water comes out of the water pic with a fair degree of force, which would be too much for sore areas. Good luck.
Donna
Donna,69, SCC L Tongue T2N1MO Stg IV 4/04 w/partial gloss;32 radtx; T2N2M0 Stg IV; R tongue-2nd partial gloss w/graft 10/07; 30 radtx/2 cispl 2/08. 3rd Oral Cancer surgery 1/22 - Stage 1. 2022 surgery eliminated swallowing and bottom left jaw. Now a “Tubie for Life”.no food envy - Thank God! Surviving isn't easy!!!! .Proudly Canadian - YES, UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS WONDERFUL! (Not perfect but definitely WONDERFUL)
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Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Make sure the waterpic is on its lowest setting prior to using it in your mouth.
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive  | | | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts)
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 | Yes low setting, lukewarm water if you are sensitive to temperature and depending on your waterpik - I have the deluxe model - there's this little blue spoon like attachment. It's technically a tongue scraper, but its less forceful than the pointy heads which can hurt if your mouth is raw. I used this just to shoot water around and freshen up - 
Last edited by Cheryld; 07-19-2013 03:58 AM.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
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Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | I had the water pic on high at first, I guess, and the water nozzle was like a loose fire hose lol. Anyway, I did not like it, even on low, for my teeth sensitivity. I made a mess with it too. It came in a kit, a regular model, and a travel one I was using, which I bought at Costco at a decent price, and returned it, although many like it.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil
11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp
01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks
06/11 30 HBO
08/11 RND PNI
06/12 SND PNI LVI
08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy
10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux
10/13 SND
10/13 TBO/Angiograph
10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI
12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo
11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO
03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN
09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy
04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site
06/17 Heart Attack Stent
02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
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Joined: May 2013 Posts: 24 | Thanks! I am going to buy one for my brother to try!
AWW, Brother of Dave, 60
Pre-canc 10 years ago
Biopsy Dentist 10/12
Stage 2 SCC 2.5cm
no action
5/13 to DanaFarber
Examined by Surgeon, MO, RO
PET, CAT
Stage T4, 4.5cm, no METs, or lymph nds
Started treatment 6/17 - RT 5x/wk, Csptn 1/wk, for 7 wks - will end 8/5
PEG since his first week.
Treatment ended 8/5
Scans scheduled for 10/30, with FU appointment 11/6
11/1 - Treatments didn;t work. Tumor continues to grow.
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Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 | Ditto on the blue spoon tip. This one I used exclusively while rinsing my mouth. I used warm salt/soda water and that was very comforting. Rather than use the lowest setting, I used the most my mouth could take. The idea being the stronger jet is clearing as much coating as possible and working the salt into the ulcers/sores was healthy. Also, followed with magic mouthwash so felt having as cleared tissue as possible was better for the MM too.
Now I am back to using the regular tips for typical oral cleaning.
don
Last edited by donfoo; 07-19-2013 11:00 AM.
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | | Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 319 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | | Platinum Member (300+ posts)
Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 319 | May I add that simply gargling with warm water and swishing it around does a pretty good job?
It's even better with a little salt and baking soda added. The baking soda works to change the pH which is good for your teeth. I believe, but wouldn't swear, that the salt helps with the dry mouth also.
Good Luck,
bart
My intro: http://oralcancersupport.org/forums/ubbt...3644#Post16364409/09 - Dx OC Stg IV 10/09 - Chemo/3 Cisplatin, 40 rad 11/09 - PET CLEAN 07/11 - Dx Stage IV C. (Liver) 06/12 - PET CLEAN 09/12 - PET Dist Met (Liver) 04/13 - PET CLEAN 06/13 - PET Dist Met (Liver + 1 lymph node) 10/13 - PET - Xeloda ineffective 11/13 - Liver packed w/ SIRI-Spheres 02/14 - PET - Siri-Spheres effective, 4cm tumor in lymph-node 03/15 - Begin 15 Rads 03/24 - Final Rad! Woot! 7/27/14 Bart passed away. RIP!
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