| Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 | Colleen, the 50 lb weight loss does not sound good at this juncture. Is there a dietitian, a doctor or a nurse case manager who can talk to your husband about the importance of taking in enough supplement everyday? This way, it is doctor's orders to the patient and not you nagging him some more. It can be really frustrating when as the caregiver, we feel our efforts to help the patient are being obstructed by the very person himself/herself. Can he understand that yes while he is the patient and it is his body, whatever decision he makes has a huge impact on your emotional well-being and your future as well? Can you talk to him about these things when you catch him in a more receptive mood?
Gloria She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards
Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016. | | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | Colleen - I can SO relate to what you are experiencing. . . it's like walking on egg-shells, not knowing what to say that might set him off or how to say it. I will never forget how rough it was on my son. I tried every way I could think of to help him find some things he could control . . . like "do you want chicken broth or beef broth?" or giving him 1,2, 3 choices so he could hold up one, two or three fingers when it was too painful to talk. I couldn't get him to come and stay with me at at my house because of his feeling of loss of control of his own place and having to tell his friends he was living with his mother. (I told him he could tell them I was living with him but that didn't impress him). At one point, I finally exploded and told him that I was doing everything I could to help him survive (driving to appointments, picking up prescriptions, laundry, cleaning, phone calls, food prep, errands, paying bills, and litter pan duty for 3 cats, etc. etc) and I felt he could at least help me out a little with doing what he needed to do for his own care. He did try a little after that. I'm not saying it's time for the Nurse from Hell to make an appearance, but if you think it could work, you could try it. You can always ask for forgiveness later. Your feelings and well-being are important, too. Don't worry too much about the glares. Everyone here is smiling at you, cuz you are a great caregiver.
Anne-Marie CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
| | | | Joined: May 2013 Posts: 42 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: May 2013 Posts: 42 | Tomorrow depending on labs we are to be admitted for final chemo, and final RT is weds! I plan on updating his doc and PA while we are in re his only taking two cans of the six prescribed fdgs. I did put my mean nurse hat last nite,when he refused any more of the fdg.....today he actually took four cans... Progress? He has not used fluoride trays, have no idea if he is taking his meds, he wont try the suction machine, prefers to run to bathroom. he had been resistant to using water pik too,bit i briefly told him how to use, filled it, and put a stickie on it that said "Try me " and well now I hear him using it frequently now....everything is a struggle.
Colleen Wife/advocate for husband. 52 yo nonsmoker ISSC tonsil stage IVa. HPV + Enlarged node & tonsil, CT 2/13 Bx lt tonsil 3/8, PET 3/16 Tx started 4/9/2013 Cisplatin x3 and IMRT x 7 wk Tx end 5/29 GT 5/24-7/17 Officially in Recovery Phase! : ) CT scan 8/13-NED ! CT scan 7/14-NED 5/2018- 5 year anniversary -NED
| | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | Wow, Colleen - that is progress! I love your creativity in putting a little stickie on the water pik saying "Try me"! That way it's the water pik telling him what to do and not you!
Anne-Marie CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
| | | | Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 | It's progress, definitely. Hopefully, after the doctor's visit, he will come to his senses and be more co-operative. One time I was with my husband in the Radiation Nursing Clinic and we overheard a doctor saying to a patient in the next cubicle, "If you don't eat, there's nothing I can do for you." It was that blunt.
Gloria She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards
Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016. | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Sorry to hear your patient can be so stubborn. Love the stickie idea!!! Keep up the great work!
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 805 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 805 | Honestly you are doing a great job. Please don't be too hard on yourself. As you can see, we've all been there, whether patient or CG. Good job hanging on!! Kathy
Kathy wife/caregiver to: Kevin age:53 Dx 7/15/11 HPV16+ SCC Stage IV BOT/R Non smoker, casual drinker 7/27/11 Cistplatin, taxotere,5FU 2/3week sessions, followed by IMRT 125cgy x 60 (2x daily) w/Erbitux weekly. Last rad 10/26/11. Last Erbitux 10/27/11 PEG placed 9/1/11 Removed 11/8/11 Clear PET 10/12 and 10/13 and ct in 6/14 | | | | Joined: May 2013 Posts: 42 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: May 2013 Posts: 42 | So we completed tx yesterday,and he rang the bell formally signaling tx complete! Was wonderful to leave, some sadness leaving some of the other pts/ families behind. Promised to keep all in our prayers. So trying to get him started with good habits with his diet/ nutrition. While in patient PA told him it was ok if he couldn't get up to the 6 cans yet.. Wanted her to be a little tougher like the dietician was! I need to keep track of his intake closely as his recovery is the goal....made a informal intake log. Hoping he would buy into it knowing/ seeing the daily goals.....so far only me filling out....however, I successfully got 52 ounces water in him,he didn't feel like doing any of the feeding today because he felt bloated.(so I know I'll probably hear from some in disagreement), but while he was sleeping, I was able to sneak in 3 cans..... I feel I did pretty good . He didn't do that bad either. Up for short period on computer, took his shower and did some correspondences he needed to do...no growling ! he looked pretty good today. Tomorrow we start our hydration days so that will help too. Hoping this will get him over the hump and kick start his recovery.....can hardly believe this was day 1 -Recovery Phase !
Colleen Wife/advocate for husband. 52 yo nonsmoker ISSC tonsil stage IVa. HPV + Enlarged node & tonsil, CT 2/13 Bx lt tonsil 3/8, PET 3/16 Tx started 4/9/2013 Cisplatin x3 and IMRT x 7 wk Tx end 5/29 GT 5/24-7/17 Officially in Recovery Phase! : ) CT scan 8/13-NED ! CT scan 7/14-NED 5/2018- 5 year anniversary -NED
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Wooo-Hooo!!!! Congrats on finally ringing the bell!!!! Im sure it was a great accomplishment for you both.
You are doing such a great job with your care giving. Im impressed how you snuck 3 cans in while he slept. Very crafty! Make sure if you do that your husband is laying with his head inclined or it could cause a problem with the formula causing aspiration. That darn PA! They shouldnt be talking about dietician things, they should be backing up the dietician.
Hydration is a very good experience, at least it was for me. I would walk out of there feeling so much better. Please check back in with me and tell me if the hydration had the same effect on your husband.
Best wishes with everything. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 |
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
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