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 Joined:  Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 |  Ina, I am so sorry to hear that Joyce's disease has progressed.I agree completely that as the patient she has the right to ask for treatment.
 However I am also of the opinion that it is the physicians right to refuse to treat if it is not in the patients best interest.
 From your description I do not believe it is in Joyce's best interest to progress with aggressive surgery, radiation and chemo. That time has passed.  Why is there such a delay in just inserting a PEG for feeding purposes. This is a simple out patient procedure.
 To be honest, I am of the opinion that your family should be doing all to keep Joyce comfortable and pain free. Involve Hospice, and enjoy the remaining time she has left.
 I am so sorry ,  Tammy
   Caregiver/advocate to Husband Kris age 59@ diagnosis
 DX Dec '10 SCC BOT T4aN2bM0 HPV+ve.Cisplatin x3 35 IMRT.
 PET 6/11 clear.
 R) level 2-4 neck dissection 8/1/11 to remove residual node - necrotic with NED
 Feb '12 Ca back.. 3/8/12 total glossectomy/laryngectomy/bilat neck dissection/partial pharyngectomy etc.  clear margins. All nodes negative for disease. PEG in.
 March 2017 -  5 years disease free. Woohoo!
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 Joined:  Oct 2012 Posts: 143 |  The peg tube will be inserted next week, the delay is due to the funds that my husband will be sending next week.  All expenses are coming from her children here.  It is not only emotionally and intellectually draining but financially exhausting.  They have NO HEALTH INSURANCE.    The decisions for chemo and radiation has not been made, Joyce has to regain the strength and nutrition needed before they will discuss the next step.  It will take a few weeks to a month for her to gain weight since she is only 88 pounds or may be less. Thanks   Joyce March 1940 to January 2014
 A wife, a mother, grandmother and great grandmother.
 She fought oral cancer from late 2009 to Early 2014.
 2 Timothy 4:7  I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
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 Joined:  Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 |  Has Medicare or Medicaid been looked into? Just based on her age, finances,  there should be some kind of assistance out there or work out a payment plan with the hospital not to delay any type medical care. Usually the hospitals social worker can help. Good luck.   10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil
 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp
 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks
 06/11 30 HBO
 08/11 RND PNI
 06/12 SND PNI LVI
 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy
 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux
 10/13 SND
 10/13 TBO/Angiograph
 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI
 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo
 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO
 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN
 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy
 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site
 06/17 Heart Attack Stent
 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Joined:  Oct 2012 Posts: 143 |  Unfortunately the only assistance for senior citizens is a discount , minimal.  We are hoping the tube will be inserted next week.  No plans of any additional treatment until she regains health or a big of weight.  Surgery is out of the table and will not be considered the first treatment.  Chemo and Radiation combined is the choice of treatment after she restores health.   Joyce March 1940 to January 2014
 A wife, a mother, grandmother and great grandmother.
 She fought oral cancer from late 2009 to Early 2014.
 2 Timothy 4:7  I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
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 Joined:  Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 8 |  Paul, Joyce lives and is being treated in the Philippines.
 
 Ina, Im just wondering if your family has ever discussed having Joyce treated here in the US?  Just an idea.
  Christine
 SCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44  2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07  -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma  2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years  very happy to be alive    |  |  |   |   |   |  |   |  Joined:  Oct 2012 Posts: 143 Senior Member (100+ posts) |   | OP   Senior Member (100+ posts) 
 Joined:  Oct 2012 Posts: 143 |  Hello everybody, Joyce is unable to travel due to her health and without health insurance here is far worst.
 I just got an update that her potassium level is extremely high due to her kidneys (stage 4 of kidney life) now causing irregular heart beat.  Once potassium levels are back to normal she will have the peg procedure.
 
 I think her cardiologist would not give authorization to have surgery.
   Joyce March 1940 to January 2014
 A wife, a mother, grandmother and great grandmother.
 She fought oral cancer from late 2009 to Early 2014.
 2 Timothy 4:7  I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
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 Joined:  Apr 2013 Posts: 319 Likes: 1 |  Hi Ina,
 I'm very sorry to hear of your and your mother-in-law's situation.  I am the same age as she is.
 
 You correctly suspect that without a PET scan, many cancers can go undetected.  Both of my recurrences were only detected after going mostly un-noticed on a CAT scan.
 
 As to the amount of time she has remaining, I don't think anyone can answer that, but as much as I hate to say it, I doubt that she will see the new year.
 
 Bless you, and your mother-in-law.  You have my very best wishes for the best possible outcome.
  
 
My intro:  http://oralcancersupport.org/forums/ubbt...3644#Post163644 09/09 - Dx OC Stg IV 10/09 - Chemo/3 Cisplatin, 40 rad  11/09 - PET CLEAN 07/11 - Dx Stage IV C. (Liver) 06/12 - PET CLEAN 09/12 - PET Dist Met (Liver) 04/13 - PET CLEAN 06/13 - PET Dist Met (Liver  + 1 lymph node) 10/13 - PET - Xeloda ineffective 11/13 - Liver packed w/ SIRI-Spheres 02/14 - PET - Siri-Spheres effective, 4cm tumor in lymph-node 03/15 - Begin 15 Rads 03/24 - Final Rad!  Woot! 7/27/14 Bart passed away.  RIP!
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 Joined:  Oct 2012 Posts: 143 |  Update as of today, May 23, 2013. Joyce will receive her Peg tube this Sunday. Tentative schedule of her chemo Erbitux  is June 6, 2013 depending on her current health status as of that week.  I believe that radiation will start the same time since she was already fitted for the radiation mask. What is the maximum allowed chemo treatment?  She received series of 6 November to Jan 2013.  Now she will start Erbitux  with maximum radiation treatments, I believe 34.
Last edited by Ina; 05-23-2013 08:25 PM.
   Joyce March 1940 to January 2014
 A wife, a mother, grandmother and great grandmother.
 She fought oral cancer from late 2009 to Early 2014.
 2 Timothy 4:7  I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
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 Joined:  Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 |  I know of some people that are on long term Erbitux  for a year for palliative care, and don't know of any about any maximum allowed chemo, but most use trial based therapies, may switch to another to avoid developing a resistance or when no improvement is seen. Some targeted therapies  need to be long term in the palliative setting, like 6 months to a year for benefit, some chemos are given in cycles, then stopped, and restarted again.    I had Erbitux  with radiation, for 6 weeks, but that was for curative intent. The first week is a loading dose, based in your weight, about 470mg for me, along with an infusion of Benadryl, a Tylenol, Hydration. After that were weekly infusions around 250 mg. The first infusion they monitor you closely since a small percentage have a severe allergic reaction, heart failure from it. The worst part of Erbitux  is the rash, which can be severe, and the itching, skin dryness drove me crazy. They will give you antibiotics once the rash appears, and the best to use they say is Minocycline. I had 50mg capsules 3x a day.  Good luck.   10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil
 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp
 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks
 06/11 30 HBO
 08/11 RND PNI
 06/12 SND PNI LVI
 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy
 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux
 10/13 SND
 10/13 TBO/Angiograph
 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI
 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo
 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO
 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN
 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy
 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site
 06/17 Heart Attack Stent
 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Joined:  Oct 2012 Posts: 143 |  [quote=PaulB]I know of some people that are on long term Erbitux  for a year for palliative care, and don't know of any about any maximum allowed chemo, but most use trial based therapies, may switch to another to avoid developing a resistance or when no improvement is seen. Some targeted therapies  need to be long term in the palliative setting, like 6 months to a year for benefit, some chemos are given in cycles, then stopped, and restarted again.    I had Erbitux  with radiation, for 6 weeks, but that was for curative intent. The first week is a loading dose, based in your weight, about 470mg for me, along with an infusion of Benadryl, a Tylenol, Hydration. After that were weekly infusions around 250 mg. The first infusion they monitor you closely since a small percentage have a severe allergic reaction, heart failure from it. The worst part of Erbitux  is the rash, which can be severe, and the itching, skin dryness drove me crazy. They will give you antibiotics once the rash appears, and the best to use they say is Minocycline. I had 50mg capsules 3x a day.  Good luck. [/quote]  Good morning Paul,  I am just wondering how would the severe skin reaction affect the 3 lesions/tumors on her face. Joyce has decided to do full blast treatment.  She feels that this is her last chance for survival.   Let us hope for the best for her.  Prayers needed this coming weeks.   Thanks   Joyce March 1940 to January 2014
 A wife, a mother, grandmother and great grandmother.
 She fought oral cancer from late 2009 to Early 2014.
 2 Timothy 4:7  I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
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