| Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 4 Member | OP Member Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 4 | I've been free and clear for 4 years. I get irration on the left side of my tongue from time to time. That's the side they radiated the most. Irration started last weekend. Two days ago a small hole with white tissue around it appeared though I didn't bite myself. Will be going in to have dentist scan it early this week, but was wondering what percentages of HPV-16 survivors have re-occurence? What's the typical prognosis? Can they cut it out only? Or do they do radiation again? Original diagnosis revealed cancer in left tonsil and I had a cluster of tumors in lymphnodes on the left side of my neck, and PET scan before treatment revealed it was already started in a lymphnode on the right also. My understanding was that I had to have just about the maximum radiation possible. I did 6.5 weeks rad and 6 weeks Cisplatin concurrently. When I was sick and read people's stories here, I got the idea that if it reoccurred it was just a protracted ending. Is it usually? Or does one have a shot at being able to live with a quality of life worth living? Frank
Feb. 09. SCC Left tonsil and lymph nodes Stage IV. HPV 16+. No Surgery. Cisplaten 6, Rad. 35 6/24/09 PET-Negative Finally eating all my food, 2/2010. PEG tube removed 6/2011
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | There have been several members who have had radiation more than once. Its on a case by case basis. I know of 3 who have done it 3 times. They do have their quality of life issues but they have adapted and do the best they can. When a patient is backed into a corner and their choices are to do nothing and quit before you even try to beat it or to try to get treated most people would choose to try. I was faced with this decision when I had my 3rd diagnosis of OC. I almost did nothing and let nature take its course. As a single mother I thought the easiest thing on my children would be for me to prepare them for my death while I was still in 'good' health. But because of Brian Hill and the members of this forum who became my dear friends, I gave it a shot and went thru with having my jaw removed. I do have some issues but nothing I complain about as it sure beats not being here at all. I think anyone who is handicapped would say the same thing, its better to be alive and have 'issues' than not to be here. It sounds to me like you are one of the lucky ones who got sick, went thru treatments and was able to bounce back and resume your regular life. Recovery can be long and I see you had your feeding tube for a long time. But, you are very fortunate! Non smokers who have HPV+ OC have much better statistics with both response to treatment and their odds of recurrence. Plus the longer you are past date of being treated and declared NED the less odds of a recurrence. Congrats on your successful treatment and living a good healthy life ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 | Hi Frank, we are a case of HPV positive who have had a recurrence. Kris was then treated with surgery - salvage surgery, which was quite brutal. But a year later he is alive and well. A recurrence is not a death sentence. I think your mind is getting away from you though. You have not yet had a biopsy or even a scan. So you do not yet even know that you do in fact have a new cancer. If this is a cancer, it is in a different location from your last diagnosis, so would be a completely new field for radiation - if that is indeed required. I certainly hope you have a NED/NAD . But if not, believe me, it can be well treated and you will still live a good life. Tammy
Caregiver/advocate to Husband Kris age 59@ diagnosis DX Dec '10 SCC BOT T4aN2bM0 HPV+ve.Cisplatin x3 35 IMRT. PET 6/11 clear. R) level 2-4 neck dissection 8/1/11 to remove residual node - necrotic with NED Feb '12 Ca back.. 3/8/12 total glossectomy/laryngectomy/bilat neck dissection/partial pharyngectomy etc. clear margins. All nodes negative for disease. PEG in. March 2017 - 5 years disease free. Woohoo!
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Tammy and I disagree on lots of issues here, so when we both concur on an answer, it means a lot. What she said is exactly right. Now as far as "maximum" radiation, I am a living expert, with only 1 poster of 8770 members having had more than my 137 grays (GY). As with Kris, recurrences are often treated with salvage surgery. Extra radiation is an option if a 3rd recurrence would be catastrophic . The second round of radiation was very doable and gave me 4 NED years. I am witholding judgement on the wisdom of my decision to have those last 40 GY as 100 appears to be the maximum without major quality of life issues. But a second round now seems a walk in the park compared to the third. You have many good options Charm
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65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | I had had 5 recurrences in less than 3 years and had three surgeries, radiation three times for a total of 130Gy, as well as chemo and targeted therapy twice. Usually after a recurrence, the stats are grim, but reirridation is being done more and more, as well as surgery, so that's changing everything. As mentioned, each case is different, and so is the doctors training and experience matters if they can treat you or not. Usually for a recurrence, the best option is usually surgery with or without radiation or chemoradiation. The recurrence rate for HPV related cancer H&N cancer is about 15 percent, much lower than non HPV. In a HPV positive smoker, the recurrence rate may be higher. Also, they have found distant failure after 5 years with some HPV, maybe a different subtype, while non HPV cancer failure levels off after two years, so it's being recommended that surveillance with HPV cancer be continued past the 5 years.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 | Oh Charm, and I thought we only disagreed on PEG insertion. Made me smile though. Hang in there tough guy Tammy
Caregiver/advocate to Husband Kris age 59@ diagnosis DX Dec '10 SCC BOT T4aN2bM0 HPV+ve.Cisplatin x3 35 IMRT. PET 6/11 clear. R) level 2-4 neck dissection 8/1/11 to remove residual node - necrotic with NED Feb '12 Ca back.. 3/8/12 total glossectomy/laryngectomy/bilat neck dissection/partial pharyngectomy etc. clear margins. All nodes negative for disease. PEG in. March 2017 - 5 years disease free. Woohoo!
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