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David2 #154125 09-04-2012 05:14 PM
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David2

Thanks for giving the other side. I really like Donna (Pandora) too much to post in my normal fashion. hyping up and loading down with sarcasm the same facts and considerations that you did in a polite and calm way.
What I will say however is that after being a lawyer for 40 years and working in private, state and federal practice is that if Lance had been my client, I would have advised him not only to refuse arbitration but also take out full page ads in major newspapers publishing the Federal District Judge's opinion that none of the WADA charges would pass muster in any court of law. Lance's case was dismissed on a legal technicality not having anything to do with the validity of the charges. Bottom line is that none of us except Lance knows what really happened, but for me, the fact that all these WADA charges would be dismissed on a summary judgement motion in a court of law with an impartial judge instead of WADA stooge speaks volumes. Under the WADA rules, you never get to appeal being railroaded in a trial before a fair judge, only their own binding arbitration.
The estimate I hear from friends is that Lance's decision saved him anywhere from $5 to $10 million dollars in legal fees and expenses.( hiring of lawyers and scientific experts plus the cost of visiting labs in foreign lands and attending hearings). Worse, since the main "evidence" is now: [quote]Some Dudes said he did it[/quote], all it takes is one liar for WADA to win.
Charm

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65 yr Old Frack
Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+
2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG
2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery
25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
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Charm2017 #154126 09-04-2012 05:21 PM
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NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING: BOOKS

If you have a certain sense of humor and you enjoyed the excerpts from Vanity Fair that I and others have posted here on the forum by Christopher Hitchens, then you should order from Amazon (using the OCF link) : Mortality.
It is a collection of seven of those essays published in somewhat different form in Vanity Fair. It adds an eighth chapter, Hitchens' fragmentary notes to himself.
the USA today review noted that
[quote]In the last 18 months of his life, Hitchens reported with little sentimentality or self-pity from a place he called "Tumorville." He was 62 when he died of esophageal cancer on Dec. 15, 2011.[/quote]
plus included some some of my favorite quotes
[quote]To the dumb question 'Why me?' the cosmos barely bothers to return the reply: Why not?"

"I'm not fighting or battling cancer � it's fighting me."[/quote]
USA today Mortality review
Charm


65 yr Old Frack
Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+
2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG
2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery
25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
Apaghia /G button
2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa
40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin

Passed away 4-29-13
JAMOS #154132 09-04-2012 07:43 PM
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Wow! Thanks for that, Charm -I'm going to order it from Amazon/OCF tomorrow.


Anne-Marie
CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)



JAMOS #154135 09-04-2012 08:29 PM
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Oh Christopher Hitchens...a great writer, thinker, and a very skilled debater. I always enjoyed watching his debates, he is very straight forward which is why I'm a fan to be sure. Where I'm not by any means an atheist as he was, I enjoyed his point of view, and particularly his delivery.


Young Frack, SCC T4N2M0, Cisplatin,35+ rads,ND, RT Mandiblectomy w fibular free flap, facial paralysis, "He who has a "why" to live can bear with almost any "how"." -Nietzche "WARNING" PG-13 due to Sarcasm & WAY too much attitude, interact at your own risk.
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Hitchens was one of a kind and brilliant. I didn't necessarily agree with all his views but always find him fascinating and an amazing writer. Plan to get to that book.... eventually!

(oh and thanks Charm for the expert legal opinion on the Lance issue - a tough one to be sure. I freely admit to bias because I admire him for all he's done on and off the bike.)


David 2
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I have the 100 Questions and Answers about Head and Neck Cancer book...since the authors are from my treatment center in NYC, and is printed by them. They give it to you before the start of treatment, and most of the Head and Team there have authored several books, especially Dr. Harrison and Dr Hu, radiaton oncologists, and Dr Urken, Surgeon.

I have that one also..Meeting the challenges of Oral and Head and Neck Cancer.


10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil
11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp
01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks
06/11 30 HBO
08/11 RND PNI
06/12 SND PNI LVI
08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy
10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux
10/13 SND
10/13 TBO/Angiograph
10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI
12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo
11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO
03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN
09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy
04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site
06/17 Heart Attack Stent
02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs






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