| Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 | Simon has developed a very nasty sore on his tongue, and his lips are split and bleeding. His RO says the lips are due to Erbitux; not sure about the sore on the tongue. He tells me that when he wakes up in the morning mucous has thickened and causes a lot of discomfort in his very sore mouth. He has no appetite, although he is religiously forcing 3 litres of water each day down his throat or his PEG. His skin is very dry and quite sore. It is at the beginning of week 4 of 7 weeks of radiotherapy. How did any of you get through that last 4 weeks. Are his SX comparatively severe or does this all sound very familiar to many of you. I hope one day I can offer the sort of help and assistance I have been given on this forum to others in need of advice. Kind regards to you all.
Brother 49yo DX 22/6/11 Tonsil SCC HPV+ Stage IV T4N1(?)M0. Carbo/docetaxel (Taxotere)19/7, 11/8 (with E-tux), 1/9; E-tux 11/8, 25/8, 15/9, 30/9, 14/10, 28/10; IMRT X 35 (70gy tumour;63gy nodes;56gy gen area) 19/9-4/11/11. Clear PET scan 1/2/12. 1 and 2 year post treatment checks good. | | | | Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 571 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 571 | J had two Erbitux infusions. Within the first week, he developed the rash. It caused a lot of sores on the inside of his mouth and tongue. In addition, his lips split...so did the tips of his fingers. His treatment was suspended after that. He only had two radiation visits before those treatments were stopped. So, it is unlikely that those side-effects were caused by radiation. He said that the Erbitux was so uncomfortable for him that he was already considering discontinuing it before everything was stopped. He was particularly sensitive to Erbitux. He's still having problems with the rash on his body. However, his mouth is fine. Usually, Erbitux side-effects go away within a month of the end of treatment. Most patients don't have the problems that he had...but, then again, most patients actually have cancer. Keep hanging in there. Your brother is just about at the half-way mark! Keep pushing forward. There is a light at the end of the tunnel!
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Ex-spouse MISDIAGNOSED with SCC-HN IVa 12/10. Tonsils out 1/11. 4 teeth out 2/11. TX Erbitux x2, IMRT x2 2/11. 2nd opinion-benign BCC-NOT CANCER 3/11. TX stopped 3/11. New doctors 4/11. ENT agrees with 2nd opinion 5/11. ENT scoped him-all clear 7/11. Ordered MRI anyway. MRI 8/22/11 Result-all clear.
| | | | Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 267 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 267 | The Erbitux rash can be pretty awful. Mine ended up cracking and oozing on my face. My RO gave me oral antibiotics and an antibiotic cream and I moisturizer like crazy. It did calm down eventually and now, at almost 4 weeks post treatment, it is almost gone. For the mouth sores, I used a product called ulcer ease. I didn't like the lidocaine because it made me too numb and I bit my cheeks and tongue, causing more sores. Te ulcer ease made me just numb enough to quickly down some water or a shake. It wears off really quickly, though. I hope your brothers symptoms subside soon. In the meantime, staying on top of pain meds so he stays ahead of the pain should help.
Tracy - 33 at diagnosis SCC right ventral tongue Dx 4/11. T1N2M0 1st resection 5/11. Bilateral neck dissection: 2 pos nodes 2nd resection w/graft 6/11. Erbitux x 11 completed 9/11. IMRT x 30 completed 8/11. 3 month MRI and PET/CT all clear. 6, 9, 12 and 24 month post treatment MRIs all clear. | | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 5 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 5 | Hi there I'm sorry I ndo ot have a lot of experience with Erbitux, but he should use cream as much as possible on the cracked and burnt areas. The mouth is a little harder. Magic mouthwash should help him get his nutrition and fluid down it will help with pain. I used manuka honey, so I was blessed not to have a severe problem with blisters etc...until the last week. But it doesn't work for everyone and needs to be run by the dr. First. Pain meds should help as well. Good luck! And hugs!
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 | Hi Sandy, I've read your story in amazement! I can't imagine the moment when you were both told there had been a mis-diagnosis. Thanks for responding. Linda
Brother 49yo DX 22/6/11 Tonsil SCC HPV+ Stage IV T4N1(?)M0. Carbo/docetaxel (Taxotere)19/7, 11/8 (with E-tux), 1/9; E-tux 11/8, 25/8, 15/9, 30/9, 14/10, 28/10; IMRT X 35 (70gy tumour;63gy nodes;56gy gen area) 19/9-4/11/11. Clear PET scan 1/2/12. 1 and 2 year post treatment checks good. | | | | Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 | Hi Tracy, I think he'll be relieved to know that the discomfort at this stage is a reaction to the Erbitux, rather than burning from the radiation, although I suppose that will come. Thanks for letting me know your experiences. I'll pass this on to Simon and he may take some comfort from the fact that his side-effects are "normal". Linda
Brother 49yo DX 22/6/11 Tonsil SCC HPV+ Stage IV T4N1(?)M0. Carbo/docetaxel (Taxotere)19/7, 11/8 (with E-tux), 1/9; E-tux 11/8, 25/8, 15/9, 30/9, 14/10, 28/10; IMRT X 35 (70gy tumour;63gy nodes;56gy gen area) 19/9-4/11/11. Clear PET scan 1/2/12. 1 and 2 year post treatment checks good. | | | | Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 | Many thanks Cheryl. I'll pass on your luck and hugs. Keep well. Linda
Brother 49yo DX 22/6/11 Tonsil SCC HPV+ Stage IV T4N1(?)M0. Carbo/docetaxel (Taxotere)19/7, 11/8 (with E-tux), 1/9; E-tux 11/8, 25/8, 15/9, 30/9, 14/10, 28/10; IMRT X 35 (70gy tumour;63gy nodes;56gy gen area) 19/9-4/11/11. Clear PET scan 1/2/12. 1 and 2 year post treatment checks good. | | | | Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 | Linda, I can't speak to the Erbitux but I do have firsthand knowledge of radiation damage. Mine was quite severe, my mouth and throat were full of sores and my skin quite burned around my neck as well. For the former, my experience with viscous lidocaine was a positive one - insofar as it was about the only thing that would temporarily numb the pain enough (and it really didn't do a great job, just a passable job) for me to force down a couple of bottles of liquid nutrition. Not a ringing endorsement I know, but it might be something to ask about. For skin burns I recommend silver sulfadiazine. I'm assuming it's called the same thing where you live but you can always check with a pharmacy. Great stuff for when the thinner topical creams don't do the job. I hope your brother begins to feel better. He's going into the really tough time, the last weeks of radiation and then the few weeks afterward that are often just as bad, even a bit tougher unfortunately. But he will get it through it and it's wonderful that you're there to help him. I wish both of you the best, and please keep writing.
David 2 SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 15 years all clear in 6/24 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
| | | | Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 167 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 167 | Hi there Linda - I felt like the Erbitux was nearly the death of me - severe rash, pain, redness, oozing, swelling, cracking etc. My MO didn't want to stop but after 5 infusions (and a Jay Leno chin) I told him I was done. I seriously felt like my chin might break off in one black chunk!! I think he could tell I was firm in my decision because he didn't try to change my mind like he had in the preceding weeks. I am now left with what appears to be severe acne scars on my chin despite the fact that he promised me that there would be no long lasting effects! I felt like the Erbitux did the most harm and I'm not certain it did any good - mind you - I'm 8 months post treatment and I feel great without any significant complications! So if it worked - then God Bless Erbitux, if it didn't then it wasn't worth it - we just never know! Hang in there - if your brother feels like he reaches a limit - discuss with his doctor - there is only so much suffering that one can take in the interest of beating this damn disease!
Jennifer (39) 02/10 SCCa Tongue & Base, HPV- 03/10 Partial Glossectomy & ND 11/10 Revision due to additional nodes 12/20-2/2/11 IMRT & concommitant chemo 2/11 PEG in 3/11 PEG out Back at work and feeling good 03/24/11! 12/20/11 - 9 month f/u PET/CT - all clear!
| | | | Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 | Thanks for you post, Jennifer. I discussed this option with my brother. He has two more infusions to go. One this Friday 14/10/11 and one 2 weeks later. I suppose like everyone in treatment if he knew it was working and was going to do the job, then coping with the side effects would be a lot easier. He is determined to see the treatment through, although his RO said yesterday she was convinced about Erbitux. Congratulations on going so well with your scans! Regards, Linda
Brother 49yo DX 22/6/11 Tonsil SCC HPV+ Stage IV T4N1(?)M0. Carbo/docetaxel (Taxotere)19/7, 11/8 (with E-tux), 1/9; E-tux 11/8, 25/8, 15/9, 30/9, 14/10, 28/10; IMRT X 35 (70gy tumour;63gy nodes;56gy gen area) 19/9-4/11/11. Clear PET scan 1/2/12. 1 and 2 year post treatment checks good. | | |
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