| Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 9 Member | OP Member Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 9 | My wife has low-grade mucoepidermoid base of tongue tumor w/ lymph node met, which she treated in 2009 w/ RT and cisplatin, having decided then not to do a tongue resection, etc. (after getting second opinion at MD Anderson). She has a recurrence now, still BOT w/ lymph node met, and is ready to do the partial tongue resection and bilateral neck dissection. We are getting second opinions in NYC this week. Beth Israel (Dr. Harrison) is recommending IORT and a second course of RT after doing "fresh" skin grafts on her neck. Does anyone have experience w/ a second course of RT? thanks much.
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| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | There are a couple members who have gone thru rads twice. Im sure Charm will post very soon about his experiences with doing it twice. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,357 Likes: 5 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,357 Likes: 5 | I too expect Charm to weigh in. I had 32 radiation treatments in 2004, then 30 in 2007 but mine were to opposite sides of my mouth and neck. I'm not sure from your situation if the 2nd course of radiation is on the same side? Let me know if I can help - what questions you might have. My radiation courses were both after sureries, so not sure if my situation applies or not but I am here if you have questions.
Donna,69, SCC L Tongue T2N1MO Stg IV 4/04 w/partial gloss;32 radtx; T2N2M0 Stg IV; R tongue-2nd partial gloss w/graft 10/07; 30 radtx/2 cispl 2/08. 3rd Oral Cancer surgery 1/22 - Stage 1. 2022 surgery eliminated swallowing and bottom left jaw. Now a “Tubie for Life”.no food envy - Thank God! Surviving isn't easy!!!! .Proudly Canadian - YES, UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS WONDERFUL! (Not perfect but definitely WONDERFUL)
| | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | While I did not have IORT (radiation during the operation), I did have a second course of radiation in to the same area and same tumor that I had a full course of 72GY on the first time. My CCC however did not use IMRT the second time around, but instead used Cyberknife which is much more focused. That way they could pump another 25GY into me. Bottom line: despite a very poor pathology report showing Perineural invasion and a tumor that proved resistant to Erbitux and radiation, the second round of radiation appears to have done the trick. Yes, there are some side effects, but one of them is being alive. So the second round worked for me and I hope it works for your wife also. One thing I learned: be very sure to get your wife a TSH level blood test NOW. It is the only way to know if the second round of radiation causes thryoid damage since the lab ranges cannot establish what her true baseline should be. I do need to take thyroid medicine now but that's working well also Charm
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65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 9 Member | OP Member Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 9 | Thanks much, Pandora and Charm. I really appreciate it! | | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | Allen
While a second course of radiation is not standard, here is the excerpt on it's growing use from the latest 13th edition of a textbook for doctors on oconology management [quote]Surgery is the standard of care for the treatment of recurrent disease, but there is a growing body of evidence suggesting that reirradiation with concurrent chemotherapy can cure selected patients when resection is not possible. Several institutions have reported experiences retreating patients, and these results led to the development of the first multi-institution reirradiation study. After surgery for head and neck cancer, patients remain at high risk of locoregional recurrence. Having undergone surgery for recurrent disease, 130 patients were randomized to receive postoperative reirradiation combined with concomitant hydroxyurea and fluorouracil or undergo observation. A higher incidence of treatment-related mortality and severe acute and chronic toxicity was found in the treatment group. The disease-free, but not overall, survival was improved in the treatment arm (P = .006 and .5, respectively) (Janot F et al: J Clin Oncol 26:5518�5523, 2008). A single-arm, phase II study (RTOG 96-10) evaluated toxicity and therapeutic results for patients with recurrent squamous cell carcinoma of the head and neck. Eighty-six patients received four weekly courses of 1.5-Gy fractions twice daily with concurrent 5-FU and hydroxyurea. Each cycle was separated by 1 week of rest. The median survival was 8.1 months, and the 1- and 2-year survival rates were 41.7% and 16.2%, respectively. Compared with patients who experienced early recurrences, patients whose disease recurred 3 years after the original irradiation fared better, with 1- and 2-year survival rates of 48.1% and 32.1%, respectively. The first results for the entire cohort of patients for RTOG 99-11, the successor trial to RTOG 96-10, were presented in 2005. In this study, patients with locally recurrent or second primary head and neck tumors, who previously received radiation therapy were treated with split-course hyperfractionated radiotherapy (60 Gy total; 1.5 Gy/fraction twice daily for 5 days every 2 weeks for 4 cycles) in combination with cisplatin (15 mg/m� IV daily) for 5 courses and paclitaxel (20 mg/m� IV daily) for 5 courses every 2 weeks for 4 cycles. Granulocyte colony-stimulating factor (G-CSF) support was administered on days 6 through 13 of each 2-week cycle. Of the 105 patients enrolled, 99 were eligible for analysis, and 23% of the patients had second primary head and neck tumors. The median prior dose of radiotherapy was 65.4 Gy (range: 45�75 Gy), and the median time from prior radiotherapy was 40 months. Of eight patients with grade 5 (fatal) toxicities, five occurred during the acute period (dehydration, pneumonitis, neutropenia [2 cases], and cerebrovascular accident) and three during the late period (two of three attributable to carotid hemorrhage). Other acute toxicities included leukopenia (30% grade 3/4), anemia (21% grade 3/4), and GI toxicity (48% grade 3/4). The median follow-up for patients was 23.6 months, and the median survival was 12.1 months. The estimated 1- and 2-year overall survival rates were 50.2% and 25.9%, respectively. The median and 1-year progression-free survival rates were 7.8 months and 35%, respectively. Overall survival was significantly better (P = .044) than for the historic control in RTOG 96-10 (estimated 1- and 2-year overall survival rates 41.7% and 16.7%, respectively). Despite significant toxicity and high mortality, hyperfractionated split-course reirradiation with concurrent cisplatin and paclitaxel chemotherapy proved feasible in this select patient population. This approach was to be tested in an RTOG 04-21, a phase III trial, which was to randomize patients between this arm and chemotherapy alone; however, this trial was closed due to a lack of accrual in early 2007. [/quote] I just saw my ENT surgeon yesterday and she was very happy with my progress in recovering from a double dose of rad and chemo. Charm 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 | Charm, thanks for that. Mainly I was glad to read about your doctor's positive thoughts.
David 2 SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 15 years all clear in 6/24 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
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