| Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 316 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | OP Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 316 | Hi all,
Went for for part 2 of yet another root canal therapy, still numb now! My dentist asked if I could have an extraction (one of my previous RTC's has disappeared below my gums). As I didn't have have IRT, I'm still scared about ORNJ. Any positive ideas?
Cheers! Meredith
End of Radiation - the "Ides of March" 2004 :-)
| | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 | Hope my email helped. Waiting to hear what the dentist said.
Jerry
Retired Dentist, 59 years old at diagnosis. SCC of the left lateral border of the tongue (Stage I). Partial glossectomy and 30 nodes removed, 4/6/05. Nodes all clear. No chemo no radiation 18 year survivor.
"Whatever doesn't kill me, makes me stronger"
| | | | Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 875 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 875 | Hello Meredith and Jerry: Just wondering, what's ORNJ? I've had two teeth pulled since my radiation ended in Jan '8, and haven't had any trouble. My dentist knew I had had radiation, but didn't seem concerned. I asked my Radiation Oncologist about it (and whatever HBOis); and she said one tooth wouldn't be a problem. The first tooth was 2 years ago and the other several months ago. Am I missing something as far as getting teeth fixed? They have gone downhill since treatments. Thanks. julieann
Julieann Nov 2007 SCC on right tonsil following tonsillectomy. Was smoker, QUIT. (Stage IV T2 N2b) 7 weeks radiation one day/wk chemo (carboplatin and 5-FU). Allergic to Taxol; PEG in, lost 30 lbs. TX completed January 2008. PEG out mid- 2008. PET/CT 1/17/2011;2/3/12 NEGATIVE for cancer | | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 | Hi.. ORN osteo (bone) radio (radiation induced) necrosis (cell death) of the jaw- it can happdependIng think it depends on the person I guess that's usually why they like to make sure the teeth in your mouth are the ones you are going to keep permanently. Apparently pulling them can be problematic after radiation.
Good you're doingmso well Julianne !
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Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 756 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 756 Likes: 1 | This is from the OCF main pages � you can do a search on just about any OC topic and get a comprehensive explanation.
�Osteoradionecrosis, or ORN, is the most serious possible complication facing the oral cancer patient. A condition of the non vital bone in a site of radiotherapy (RT), Osteoradionecrosis is bone that has died as a complication of radiotherapy. Because radiation works to destroy cancerous cells through the deprivation of oxygen and vital nutrients, it inevitably destroys normal cells as well, damaging small arteries and reducing circulation to the area of the mandible. Not an infection itself, it is the bone�s reduced ability to heal and the resulting lesions, pain and fragility. Insufficient blood supply to the irradiated areas decreases the ability to heal, and any subsequent infections to the jaw can pose a huge risk to the patient. Though it is possible to develop spontaneously, ORN most frequently occurs when an insult to the bone is sustained in the irradiated area, such as related subsequent surgery or biopsy, tooth extractions or denture irritations.�
In the same article they talk about HBO -- Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy.
�There is, at least, general agreement that HBO treatments raise tissue oxygen levels which can affect the healing process and give greater infection control. Many studies show that HBO treatments are more effective than penicillin with patients showing a significantly lower rate of necrosis. One of the advantages to this treatment is that it is non-invasive and painless. Patients are placed in pressurized chambers while pure oxygen is compressed into the chamber. The treatments raise tissue oxygen levels and causes proliferation of blood vessels.�
HBO therapy is normally recommended before any dental extractions. Usually 20 dives before the dental work and 10 afterwards.
Susan
SCC R-Lateral tongue, T1N0M0 Age 47 at Dx, non-smoker, casual drinker, HPV- Surgery: June 2005 RT: Feb-Apr 2006 HBOT: 45 in 2008; 30 in 2013; 30 in 2022 -> Total 105! Recurrence/Surgeries: Jan & Apr 2010 Biopsy 2/2011: Moderate dysplasia Surgery 4/2011: Mild dysplasia Dental issues: 2013-2022 (ORN)
| | | | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 316 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | OP Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 316 | Hi Jerry,
I'm on a 'dentist holiday' for a while after my latest RTC, it's up to me what I need done next.
Re the extraction, my dentist said, 'you're damned if we do, damned if we don't'. It is just really important not not get any infection down there, in that disappeared tooth. Why do they keep sinking?
Cheers! Meredith
End of Radiation - the "Ides of March" 2004 :-)
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