| Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Don,
What data did he/she site that suggests similar or perhaps better effectiveness. My MO at Moffitt, who still advocates the 3 bag method, sites lack of data as the reason Moffitt won't change. Just curious.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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This RO has a preference for this weekly protocol. He didn't suggest it was better, but did state it was easier on his patients. Of note he is a RO, not a MO (and he is not from my CCC, but gave us a great presentation):
WEEKLY CISPLATIN & RADIOTHERAPY 1. Chemo-radiotherapy for SCC Head and Neck Cancer 2. Treatment of advanced Nasopharyngeal Cancer, following 2 � 3 cycles of neo-adjuvant chemotherapy
NB. This protocol only for use in patients with good renal function and able to drink oral fluids
Drugs/Dosage: Starting on Day 1 of radiotherapy: Cisplatin 40mg/m2 IV once weekly for 6 � 7 weeks Radiotherapy: 2Gy/fraction, given daily on weekdays only over 6��7 weeks, to a total of 66-70Gy RT must commence within 1 hour of the end of cisplatin infusion Administration: 1 litre 0.9% Sodium Chloride + 20mmol KCl + 10mmol MgS04 IV over 2 hours Mannitol 20% 100 ml IV over 15 minutes Cisplatin in 1 litre 0.9% Sodium Chloride IV over 2 hours 1 litre 0.9% Sodium Chloride + 20mmol KCl + 10mmol MgS04 IV over 2 hours 500ml 0.9% Sodium Chloride IV or 500ml - 1 litre water orally over 1 hour Frequency: one course only, consisting of 6 to 7 doses of concurrent weekly cisplatin Main Toxicities: myelosuppression; alopecia (mild); neuropathy / ototoxicity; nephrotoxicity; ovarian failure/infertility Anti-emetics: Cisplatin - highly emetogenic (as poorly controlled nausea is a difficult problem in this patient group, prescribe 2nd line anti-emetics for delayed nausea routinely with Cycle 1) Regular FBC once weekly pre-chemotherapy Investigations: (N.B. see Haem Toxicity section for Hb requirements) U&Es & LFTs once weekly pre-chemotherapy Mg2+ and Ca2+ once weekly pre-chemotherapy EDTA Prior to 1st cycle Comments: If patient has any baseline hearing problems, carboplatin AUC 2 should be substituted for cisplatin, administered as discussed below under Renal Impairment. For patients on Cycle 1 whose EDTA is not yet available, Cockcroft & Gault may be used to predict GFR. Cisplatin dose should be adjusted if necessary once EDTA available. EDTA should only be repeated if the result is borderline at the start of treatment or if there is a 30% change in serum creatinine. Check electrolytes � additional supplementation of magnesium, calcium and potassium may be required. Weight should be recorded prior to and at the end of cisplatin treatment, and a strict fluid balance chart should be maintained. An average urine output of at least 100ml/hr must be maintained throughout treatment, and cisplatin infusion should not be commenced unless this urine output is achieved. If the urine output is inadequate, the patient should be assessed and urine output increased by administering 500ml Sodium Chloride 0.9% IV +/- furosemide 20 � 40mg. Furosemide 20 � 40mg po may also be given if there is a positive fluid balance of 1.5 litres, a weight gain of 1.5kg or symptoms of fluid overload. The patient should be asked to drink 2 litres of fluid in the 24hrs following treatment, and to contact the hospital if this is impossible because of problems e.g. nausea and vomiting. Dose Modifications Haematological Neutrophils < 1.5 x 109/l Delay cisplatin for 1 week (RT to continue). Toxicity: or Repeat count and, if within normal Platelets < 100 x 109/l parameters, resume treatment at full dose. Haemoglobin (Hb) needs to be maintained above 12g/dl throughout this treatment1. If the Hb falls below this level, a blood transfusion needs to be arranged (treatment may continue). Renal Impairment: NB. Cisplatin is both eliminated primarily (> 90%) in the urine and is itself nephrotoxic. GFR (ml/min) Cisplatin Dose >60 Give 100% dose 45 � 59 Give 75% dose 20 - 44 Cisplatin contra-indicated Carboplatin AUC 2*, administered in 250ml 5% Glucose over 30 minutes, may be substituted. It may be given according to this protocol, with however no requirement for pre- or post-hydration, nor fluid balance/urine monitoring < 20 Carboplatin contraindicated Formula: Dose = Target AUC x (25 + GFR) Neurotoxicity: Grade 2: Reduce cisplatin dose to 30mg/m2 Grade 3 - 4: Discontinue cisplatin
References: Al-Sarraf, M. et al, JCO (1998), Vol 16 (4): 1310 � 1317
Bachaud, J et al; International Journal Radiation Oncology Biology Physics (1996); 36 (5): 999 - 1004
Prosnitz, RG et al; Int J Radiat Oncol Biol Phys 2005; 61: 1087 � 1095
Don TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm HiRes CT 6/21/08 Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08 PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08 35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | I have observed at least on this site that the ones getting the weekly doses seem to fare physically better, i.e., less nausea but Moffitt's concern is is that approach just as effective as the 3 bag method of assisting in the kill rate which according to my MO there has been no study on that point.
Thanks for the above and I wish I had been able to read that prior to my Tx. It's like an instruction manual. This should be required reading of any Cisplatin recipient.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 507 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 507 | @David I didn't have chemo (bum kidneys due Cytoxan therapy in my late twenties), but I really doubt that there are no studies. Perhaps no RTOG trials, but I am sure there are studies.
At my next appointment I will kick this up a few notches and check with my CCC since they are affiliated with Sanford-Burnham which is one of our nations largest NCI designated/funded Cancer Research Institutes.
I can also run it by Dr Steffen Porwollik at the top-tier who was involved in a chemo targeting agent project at Kimmel/Sanford-Burnham (developed a bacteria that targets cancer cells). Now his research group has moved to the UCSD/Salk Institute labs where they are trying to get the bacteria to carry chemo agents.
Steffen's a hiking buddy and a group of us will be on a hiking/camp-out through the "Valley of Moon" in the Anza Borrego Desert to an Amethyst Mine next month.
Interesting (brillant) guy (from east Germany) who's career passion has been targeted chemo and after they succeed he plans to retire (early) and open a coffee shop!
So, for now, I'm expecting some really great camp fire coffee! Let's hope in a few more year his team will come through with chemo that just attacks the cancer (and won't wipe out our kidneys)and that will really be something to toast gourmet campfire coffee too!
Don TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm HiRes CT 6/21/08 Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08 PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08 35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11
| | | | Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 15 Member | OP Member Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 15 | I had my first dose Tuesday. Two and a half hours! It wasn't a big deal except for the nurse blew it the first time putting in the IV. That hurt like !@#$. I felt like I had the flu later though. Since then just a little fatigued. One down and seven to go!
Joel, 52 SCC HN Stage IV, Excisional biopsy to remove 4 lymph nodes 12/2/10, Diagnosed 12/9/10, Tonsils removed, mouth biopsy 1/13/11, wisdom teeth out 2/7/11, chemo starts 2/22.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Sorry to hear about the IV. I hate when they have to poke me several times before they get it right. Makes me want to pretend Im a nurse and poke them til I get it right. LOL
Its very important to drink lots of water to help flush the chemo from your body. Some chemos can affect your kidneys. I know the one I had cisplatin has that side effect. After going thru chemo/rads nobody wants to end up with kidney problems too. Not sure about what you are having so just be safe and get your 48+ oz of water daily.
Best of luck next week with the rads. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | |
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