| Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 8 Member | OP Member Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 8 | My husband had stage 4 tongue cancer with surgery to remove the left half of his tongue down to the base in November of 2008. He also had a graft of tissue and arteries from his arm to rebuild the tongue. He had chemo and 39 radiation treatments which have left him with no saliva, little taste and limited feeling in his mouth. He has not really eaten much solid food in the past 2 years, drinking mostly protein shakes and juicing. He says the food doesn't taste like much, it is difficult to move around in his mouth, he has to drink water or other liquid to wash the food down, and he often discovers food in the corners of his mouth that he didn't swallow. He lost 80 pounds from the onset of the cancer through treatment and has to consume over 2000 calories just to maintain his present weight. That would be difficult to do because eating solid food takes so much time and effort, consequently he finds it much easier just to drink his meals. I can't imagine him living for the rest of his life avoiding solid food. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. | | | | Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 153 "OCF Canuck, across the pond" Senior Member (100+ posts) | "OCF Canuck, across the pond" Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 153 | Hi Joann,
I can only partially relate to your husband's situation. I didn't have surgery so kept all of my tongue (my tumour was on my tonsil). I had 33 radiations (I cancelled the last two due to very bad reaction to chemo/pain meds/steroids or just the whole thing), and three sessions of Cisplatin. Your husband lost half his tongue and I also don't know which chemo he had.
In my case, 9 months since treatment my saliva is slowly coming back (but they tell me it will never be what it was before treatment), I can taste again quite well, and I'm back on solid foods.
I do tend to gravitate towards certain food that are easier to eat; salads (with cheese and/or a bit of meat for protein), oatmeal, toast with plenty of butter and jam, spaghetti, fruits. I, too, find food in the corners of my mouth, and I attribute that to the low saliva levels, but certainly your husband may have additional trouble with his half-reconstructed tongue (I can only guess).
I can only suggest encouraging him to try some of the foods I've listed above, but I would not be surprised, based on your description, if he simply doesn't find it worth the work and trouble, considering he can't really taste the food anyway. I remember when my taste buds were on strike, I found it very challenging to eat. I was surprised by how important taste was to wanting to eat (I thought if I was hungry I'd want to eat, but at least part of wanting to eat must be based in the pleasure/experience of taste). I'm still drawn to stronger flavours, I guess wanting more bang for the buck, as it were.
I don't know if any of that will be helpful. If he's content on his liquid diet, maybe it's not worth worrying too much about?
Good luck
-Seth
47 yr old male non-smoker, social drinker, fit. Jan'10, Stg3 rt tonsil+rt neck SCC, HPV+, rad+chmo Vancouver Cda. 2yr clear Apr'12 London UK. Apr'13 mets recur to lymph btw left lung & aorta, 3x Cisplatin+5FUchemo+20 rad, was all clear but 6-mo PET-CT shows mets to pleura around left lung, participating in St 1 trial of GDC-0980. GDC lost effect and ended July'14, bad atrial fibrillation requiring hospitalisation, start more standard chemo 10 Sep 2014. Sadly has passed away, notified Jan 2015.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 875 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 875 | Hello Joann: I, too, had, and still have, a hard time swallowing (after 3 years), and after my feeding tube was removed, lived mostly on liquids because they were easier to get down, and I couldn't taste anything either. I found the Carnation Instant Breakfast VHC (Very high calorie), 8.45 fl oz, 560 calories, to be the easiest to drink. I still tried to eat solids, although nothing tasted like it was supposed to. I still have taste problems, but force myself to eat solids. I discovered if I cut up sweet onions and ate them along with whatever I was trying to swallow, it was easier to go down. Not sure why, except maybe the onions slid stuff down. Also, the onion taste hid the nasty sweet mucus taste I still have. Maybe you can get your husband to just try something, with the onion idea included, and see what happens. I discovered, for some reason, Boston Market chicken pot pies, when overcooked and the dough is crusty, will go down quite well with the onion mixed in. This probably sounds gross to you, unless you're an onion lover which I am not, but it's worth a try. We're all different, so what works for one may or may not work for the other. Tell hubby that we are all here to help each other and learn from others experiences. I hope he at least tries some of the ideas others have given him, and think he is so blessed to have you as his caregiver. Prayers heading your way. julieann
Julieann Nov 2007 SCC on right tonsil following tonsillectomy. Was smoker, QUIT. (Stage IV T2 N2b) 7 weeks radiation one day/wk chemo (carboplatin and 5-FU). Allergic to Taxol; PEG in, lost 30 lbs. TX completed January 2008. PEG out mid- 2008. PET/CT 1/17/2011;2/3/12 NEGATIVE for cancer | | | | Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 8 Member | OP Member Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 8 | Hi Seth, Thank you so much for your reply to my post. It was my first so it is nice to see people responding right away. My husband also had cisplatin chemo, 7 sessions. I appreciate your suggestions and will give them some thought. I go back and forth thinking it doesn't really matter what he eats as long as he has energy, which he certainly does. I just can't imagine him living for the remainder of what I expect will be a long life, without eating food. I am always cognizant of what he is dealing with and don't want to be a nag. Joann | | | | Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 8 Member | OP Member Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 8 | Julieann, thanks so much for your response to my post. I am excited to see people responding so quickly. You gave me some very helpful suggestions and I will definitely give some of them a try. He says, as you do, that he does not have the desire to eat and is actually seldom hungry. He is really a good sport about it but I do expect him to live a long life now that he is cancer free and can't imagine him not eating solid food. He is happy and healthy so I guess that is the most important thing. Thanks again. Joann | | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | joann
Well, worst case scenario, your husband can indeed live without solid food indefinitely. At least that's what the doctors are all telling me. When you mentioned his difficulty with food not going down and remaining in the mouth, I wondered if he has had a Modified Barium Swallow test (MBS). His doctor can order one and it's administered by a speech therapist in the radiology lab. It highlights any difficulties in swallowing and then the therapist can give him exercises to improve. While I failed all my MBS, it sounds like your husband might only get a D or C grade and could easily get up to an A or B with therapy. He may not have any issues at all in swallowing, just tired of cardboard taste, but it can't hurt and only help him. Finally, I am amazed at how stubborn your husband must be as I am so sick and tired after two years of a feeding tube of not eating solid food that I would gladly eat cardboard now Best Wishes Charm 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 96 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 96 | Wow, that is a tough one. I don't know what it is like to deal with the tongue issue. Mine was the roof of my mouth. I didn't have one which made swallowing anything a little more difficult. They actually rebuilt mine so now things are easier to swallow but I have no desire to. And most things don't even smell good which doesn't help the desire part. I am not able to even try solid foods as I have to upper teeth and some things are not appetizing pureed. ;-) I have only tried a hand full of things in about two years as well. I have bad dry mouth and when I do try things I have to drink a lot of water to help get it all down. I think to some degree it is just going to take a while and as long as he is trying and drinking the shakes, that's pretty good. He has not given up. Keep your head up and this to shall pass.
31 at dx 9/06 SCC T4N0M0 with bone invasion upper maxillary Surgery 10/06 CT's clear for 2 years 2nd recurrence - Laser surgery 1/09 dx Tumor board - No surgery to invasive for QOL 35 IMRT 3/30/09 Completed 5/15/09 8 tx Erbitux 3/24/09 Completed 5/6/09 HBO for ORN March & April 2010 Fibula flap 5/10
| | | | Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 24 Member | Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 24 | I had tongue surgery in September 2010. I have the same problems ...I can chew a few foodsif they are cut real small and still have trouble moving the food to the back of the throat. It ishard to eat with other people as it takes me so long ..so I eventually give up and make a shake. I also can eat things like snack cakes, cookies, cakes and breads because they are soft and smoosh up well to be swallowed, unfortunatly I am diabetic so I get a double whamy!! --Does your husband use protein powder? I find that helps with the energy factor. He just has to keep trying ..yes, I have to admit it that life will never be the same again ...I too would like to hear from others who ar struggling with these issues!!
54 Year Old Female Non Smoker - Non Drinker Stage 3 Squamous Carcenoma middle tongue, Surgery 9/3/2010 15 hour operation, Neck distention,right - 19 lymph node removed/ok -some tongue dysplasia - free flap/forearm, left arm, skin graph-thigh, lip split/jaw 1 tooth removed/PEG | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Laureanne, I sent you a long reply to your PM. You will improve. It takes lots of time. Try working with a physical or speech therapist to help you with your tongue mobility. Im sorry you are struggling but you really are a very very fortunate person! Here is the list of easy to eat foods which may be helpful with trying to keep to a diabetic diet. http://oralcancersupport.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=94621#Post94621 ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | |
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