| Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | OP "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 | Over the past few weeks my solicitor has had Robins treatment reviewed by independant medical/dental experts. This week i have received copies of the reports.The Dental report states categorically that the dentist was negligent .He was guilty of gross misconduct and fraudulent record keeping . The report from the professor of head and neck cancer says he was negligent but he was'n't responsible for Robins death.
On Dec 4th on examination robin had a 4*3 cm swelling on the left side of his face as well as a 1.5cm ulcer on the lateral surface on the right side of his tongue.
The pathology on the tongue showed a poorly differentiated scc which was ulcerated and measured 11 mm invading into the underlying muscle. The pathology on the neck showed a 31mm poorly differentiated scc in the soft tissue of submandibular region separate from the gland .The surrounding lymph glands were free from tumour. Her conclusions are.. [quote] there are obviously great difficulties in suggesting the degree of benefit likely to have been achieved by an advance in the date of diagnosis and treatment by five months.One must recognise however the aggressive appearance under microscope ,the relatively short interval between the appearance of the tumour and the presentation of the gland on the neck,the unusual migration of tumour cells to the opposite side of the neck and the possibility that they had already reached that area by June 2006,the short intrval between the completion of treatment and the appearance of the local recurrance and the detection of the distant metastisis in the lung and finally the short interval between diagnosis and death.One cannot exclude the possibility that an earlier diagnosis would have given some chance of cure but i fear the possibility to be too small to be given significane.
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So it would seem the General Dental councils decision was right and proper ,and the punishment the dentist received was fitting to his crime,and of course the world wide publicity which was associated with the hearing can only have been good for raising awareness and for all future potential oral cancer patient.
So the line is drawn finally .Cancer killed Robin.He was a high risk subject and he paid the ultimate price for his excesses,and i will continue to do everything i can to help other wives,husbands/daughters/sons/brothers and sister/living their lives in the shadow of this disease. A suggestion has been brought up regarding a manual for the relatives who walk this road alongside their loved ones,and i think i am going to pick this one up and run with it.Cathy if you want to help i would be very happy and if any others from the old wives club fancy chipping in that would be great.I have an appointment with my grief counsellor tomorrow whic is well timed as now i have no one person to direct my anger towards i am sure she will hepl me give it up and move on..
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Liz in the UK
Husband Robin aged 44 years Dx 8th Dec 2006 poorly differentiated SCC tongue with met to neck T1N2cM0 Surgery and Radiation.Finished TX April 2007 Recurrence June/07 died July 29th/07.
Never take your eye off the ball, it may just smack you in the mouth.
| | | | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 790 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 790 | Hi Liz- Must be difficult knowing that the Drs. cold have made different decisions that could have possibly lead to a different result for Robin. I too went to several drs and wanted to believe that there wasn't anything seriously wrong with me even though I felt horrible and was in so much pain.. and I knew that this thing on my tongue wasn't normal. Its hard because medical professionals all sort of look out for one another and protect one another and at least in America they will never speak out against one another.
My case was so obviously mishandled by my general practitioner who examined me twice. I should have been referred right away and she basiclaly laughed at me when I asked if the spot on my tongue was anything to be alarmed about. I don't know if I would have been able to speak any better but I do know that I would have been able to start my treatment much earlier and have been cured much earlier. I guess its just a really difficult thing to prove.
Thinking of you and knowing I would feel just as upset too. Sometimes there are just those days where it will never make sense. I think the more knowledge people have the more awareness there will be of this disease and the sooner people will be able to catch the warning signs right away
take care. K
Tongue Cancer T2 N0 M0 / Total Glossectomy Due to Location of Tumor
Finished all treatments May 25 2007 Surviving!!!
| | | | Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 54 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 54 | Hope you have a good session today LIz. Re the guide: you can count me in, if and when you want support.
Big hugs, I feel for you so.
Cathy | | | | Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 453 "OCF Down Under" Platinum Member (300+ posts) | "OCF Down Under" Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 453 | Liz, you can count me in too with regards to the guide. I'll help in anyway I possibly can. Hope you are feeling better after today xo
Wife to Steve 43. DX 5 May 09. T4N2MO SCC tongue, floor of mouth, lymph nodes & jaw bone No surgery Teeth removed 06/07/2009 radiation 13/07/2009 x 7wks chemo 15/07/2009 x 3 Cisplatin last TX 28/08/2009 25/11/2009 PET-lymph node activity. 08/01/2010 CT Scan-ALL CLEAR 03/03/2010-Peg removed 01/2013 left side of Jaw removed and replaced with pectoral flap. 23/12/2020 scan show lesion in tongue 01/2021 SCC stage 3 base of tongue diagnosed 01/03/2021 chemotherapy started.
| | | | Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 706 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 706 | Liz-I'll be glad to help with the guide also. I think this would be invaluable.
cg to husband, 48 Stage 1V head and neck SCC. First surgery 9/07. Radiation and several rounds of chemo followed. Mets to chest and lungs. "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain." Went home to God on February 22, 2009.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Way to go Liz. I can't wait to read a rough draft. If we can get that published I will make sure it's available at Moffitt. I would also love to carry copies of it with me when I speak or even to have available in my office.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | OP "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 | Well we better see what we can do then David lol
Liz in the UK
Husband Robin aged 44 years Dx 8th Dec 2006 poorly differentiated SCC tongue with met to neck T1N2cM0 Surgery and Radiation.Finished TX April 2007 Recurrence June/07 died July 29th/07.
Never take your eye off the ball, it may just smack you in the mouth.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Seriously, Moffitt has their own OC pamphlet and it was one of the first things I read and to this day I'm not impressed with it at all so I think you could develop a much better one and perhaps we could publish under the OCF banner.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | OP "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 | David i was thinking along the lines of a paperback book,but perhaps we could also incoporat an information pamphlet which we could roll out quicker leaving me time to get the format of a larger tome that i hope could include questions and their answers that have been asked both here and on MCF during my three year membership.This was floated from a carers stance.Do we have a pamhlet for new patients and if not should we be looking at producing one?
Liz in the UK
Husband Robin aged 44 years Dx 8th Dec 2006 poorly differentiated SCC tongue with met to neck T1N2cM0 Surgery and Radiation.Finished TX April 2007 Recurrence June/07 died July 29th/07.
Never take your eye off the ball, it may just smack you in the mouth.
| | | | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | OP "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 | Cathy thanks for the kind thoughts.Yes the session went well,but once again even though i can feel the anger dissapating i cant let go of that one line she wrote"one cannot exclude the possibility that an ealier diagnosis could have resulted in a cure"but i am determined not to dwell on that,just turn it into a positive by ensuring that everyone gets the earliest diagnosis they can. xxx
Well girls looks like we got us a project!!
Liz in the UK
Husband Robin aged 44 years Dx 8th Dec 2006 poorly differentiated SCC tongue with met to neck T1N2cM0 Surgery and Radiation.Finished TX April 2007 Recurrence June/07 died July 29th/07.
Never take your eye off the ball, it may just smack you in the mouth.
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