| Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 | The 3 mega dose have been used for a longer time.... so there is more data on it. If you have any data that directly compare 7 vs 3 applications for H&N cancer together with radiation, then I would be interested to know where that is. The only clinical trial that I found was the European and US studies published in 2004 that used 3x cisplatin in conjunction with radiation.
In many cases the 3 dose option is now not on the table at all, regardless how old and fit you are. Form a pharamacokinetic point of view, especially if you consider the synergism with the daily radiation, the 7 doses make a hell of a lot more sense.
M
Partial glossectomy (25%) anterior tongue. 4/6/07/. IMRT start @5/24/07 (3x) Erbitux start/end@ 5/24/07. IMRT wider field (30x) start 6/5/07. Weekly cisplatin (2x30mg/m2), then weekly carbo- (5x180mg/m2). End of Tx 19 July 07.
| | | | Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 13 Member | OP Member Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 13 | Thank you all very much. What a great resource. I'll share it with my husband. God Bless.
Caregiver to SURVIVOR George; Stage IV SCC no primary; HPV positive; heavy drinker, moderate smoker; discovered in lymph nodes - surgically removed; dx March '10; PEG tube; 3 bolus cisplatin; 35 radiation treatments completed May 22,2009; Kickass support system
| | | | Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 83 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 83 | I had the 3 doses of Cisplatin. The hearing test indicate some hearing loss at high frequency but I don't notice. I had no other physical problems with it. I did Chemo concurrent with Rad, so the Chemo days were long but I was able to work on the computer, read, walk around while they did the chemo and the other bags. There protocol was to do 3-4 days worth of IV's after Cisplatin. Can't remeber all the stuff..Potasium,etc. Everyone reacts differant but I didn't have much of a problem. I don't know about any weekly vs 3 times comparison studies.
Bill Van Horn-53 ex-smoker, social drinker, Biopsy 8/24, Diagnosed 8/30/07 BOT T2N2-B MX Stage IV. Started treatments 10/1/07. IMRT 35 x, Cisplatin - 3 cycles - completed treatment 11/16/07. CT Scans on 1/15/08 all clear Selective neck dissection 1/28/08. All nodes clear.
| | | | Joined: May 2008 Posts: 43 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: May 2008 Posts: 43 | I had induction chemo 6 weeks of taxol Erbitux and carboplatin. I then had 7 eeks of radiationwith doiuble sessions on fridays I had Cisplatin during radiation daily mon-fri on weeks 1,4,and 7 when i asked back then my doc said it was the new a withthe best results but ihavent read anyneelse having Cisplatin dailey like that. By the way i had no problems.
Tonsil into base of tongue 3to4cm tumor. Giant lemon sized 9cm lymphnode. Squamos cell carcinoma April 5 diagnosed. June 5 started treatment. Cetuximab Carboplatin Paclitaxel once a week for 6 weeks.Then 7 weeks of radiation plus chemo cisplatin then 4 weeks rest then neck disection was Nov 7 2008 | | | | Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 6 Member | Member Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 6 | Well mine sounds different than the rest. We couldn't start radiation right away due to teeth removal, so I had induction chemo of Cisplatin and Taxotere. Three weeks later I started daily radiation and another Cisplatin. I had two more Cisplatin doses, three weeks apart. With the chemo I had Emend, an anti-nausea drug that worked incredibly well! I had what I called queasiness for a day or so after each treatment. I never got sick from the chemo. I lost my hair due to the Taxotere and I have permanent ringing in the ears and high frequency hearing loss from the Cisplatin. I had these symptoms but recovered from the first three treatments but the fourth caused the permanent damage.
Diagnosed 9-30-08,Stage 4a scc, T2,N2b,M0 base of tongue, 2 lymph node tumors, 46 yo male. 4 tx Cisplatin, 35 tx IMRT 70gy total. Treatment ended 1-6-08 | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Chuck, I lost my HF hearing after ONLY 3. Man I don't think I could have handled 4 Cis' and the Emends didn't work for me after Cis #2. BTW did they test you for HPV? Did you have a ND?
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 6 Member | Member Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 6 | Haven't checked back for a while. The cancer did come back positive for HPV. What is ND?
Diagnosed 9-30-08,Stage 4a scc, T2,N2b,M0 base of tongue, 2 lymph node tumors, 46 yo male. 4 tx Cisplatin, 35 tx IMRT 70gy total. Treatment ended 1-6-08 | | | | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 | ND = neck dissection (removal of lymph nodes in the neck to check for spread).
Leslie
April 2006: Husband dx by dentist with leukoplakia on tongue. Oral surgeon's biopsy 4/28/06: Moderate dysplasia; pathology report warned of possible "skip effect." ENT's excisional biopsy (got it all) 5/31/06: SCC in situ/small bit superficially invasive. Early detection saves lives.
| | | | Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 6 Member | Member Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 6 | No ND. It was orginally in the plan, but after treatment they changed their mind.
Diagnosed 9-30-08,Stage 4a scc, T2,N2b,M0 base of tongue, 2 lymph node tumors, 46 yo male. 4 tx Cisplatin, 35 tx IMRT 70gy total. Treatment ended 1-6-08 | | | | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | The three treatment plan with Cisplatin was pretty much the gold standard for many years. I read a report that 2 would work as well. Lately they have been doing smaller and more frequent doses, more than likely due to the nephrotoxicity (kidney damage) aspect. It is also easier to manage the nausea with smaller doses. Cisplatin is some nasty stuff. Be SURE to stay hydrated to protect your kidneys. The drug is also more efficacious when you are properly hydrated.
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
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