| Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 6 Member | OP Member Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 6 | Has anyone successfully tried or know of anyone who received the Chemo and not the radiation? My cancer tumor was removed from my tonsil & throat and the surgeon was able to get a clear margin around the enitre mass. I still have infectected lymph nodes on both sides of my neck so the recommended next steps are radiation and chemo. It seems like radiation is fairly adverse and has many long term side effects. Checking to see if chemo only is a viable option. Appreciate any insight.
Michael (49) 10.24.09 DX Tonsil Cancer - SCC Stage III T3N2B/ 12.14.09 Tonsillectomy Surgery/TX:Chemo; 1.5.2010 Eurbitux started; 1.12.2010 7weeks/ TX:RAD 35 concurrent 2 lymph nodes on left side, 1 lymph node on right and back of throat; 1.26.2010 PEG; 6.24.10 Clear PET; 7.8.2010 PEG removed.
| | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | Never heard of such a thing. Although I will agree that Radiation is the gift that keeps on giving. Still I tend to think that there is a reason the most if not all of us here at OCF have had radiation. I know that chemo only was never an option for me with my first nor second cancer. Charm 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,844 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,844 | Here is what I know and what I've been told. Surgery + chemo is an available option depending on the tumor. If you look up Dr. Neal Futran of the U of Washington Medical Center you will find a video of him interviewing an oral cancer patient who had just chemo (before and after)and surgery. At the time of the interview she was a 3 year survivor and scanning clear.
My ENT informed me that IF I had a recurrance that wasn't in a good spot surgically, that I had little options other then chemo, which wouldn't save me...just prolong the inevitable. Of course I love my ENT but I would still get a second and third opinion before I made any decisions at that point.
My opinion...radiation sucks, but it did the job and I'm still breathing and scanning clear. Much better then the alternative.
Young Frack, SCC T4N2M0, Cisplatin,35+ rads,ND, RT Mandiblectomy w fibular free flap, facial paralysis, "He who has a "why" to live can bear with almost any "how"." -Nietzche "WARNING" PG-13 due to Sarcasm & WAY too much attitude, interact at your own risk.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Ive heard of radiation by itself being successul. Chemo alone is not a cure for oral cancer patients. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 618 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 618 | Michael,
By the way, I did radiation only with no chemo, the opposite of what you are looking at. I can tell you that I got three expert opinions from very good institutions before choosing my treatment. Whatever you decide, make sure you get a second, and if you can, a third opinion from the best doctors or institutions you can find.
This is an aggressive disease, you want to fight it aggressively .
Kelly
Kelly Male 48, SCC (Soft Palet) Rt., Stage 1, T3n0m0, Dx, 8-09, Start IMRT 35 9-2-09 end 10-21-09 04-20-10 NED 8-11 recurrence, node rt. neck N2b 10-11 33 IMRT w/chemo wkly 3-12-12 PET - residual cancer 4-12 5 treatments with Cyberknife & Erbitux 6-19-12 Pet scan CLEAR 12-3-12 PET - CLEAR
| | | | Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 618 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 618 | Forgot to ask my question
What do you mean by infected lymph nodes?
Kelly
Kelly Male 48, SCC (Soft Palet) Rt., Stage 1, T3n0m0, Dx, 8-09, Start IMRT 35 9-2-09 end 10-21-09 04-20-10 NED 8-11 recurrence, node rt. neck N2b 10-11 33 IMRT w/chemo wkly 3-12-12 PET - residual cancer 4-12 5 treatments with Cyberknife & Erbitux 6-19-12 Pet scan CLEAR 12-3-12 PET - CLEAR
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Michael, Chemo is most always used concurrently with the radiation as the chemo is meant primarily to weaken the fast growing cancer cells making them more susceptible to being destroyed by the radiation. BTW if you have bilateral nodal involvement you should have been staged a N2c. Were/are you a tobacco user? Have you been tested for HPV? Yes radiation is not fun and some side effects are life long but the alternative may be permanent. I had the concurrent chemo/rad and my taste and saliva are easily over 90% of what they used to be. My thyroid is fried but a single pill a day corrects that and my hearing is damaged due to Cisplatin and perhaps my delivery method but not so much that I need hearing aids. Maybe, just MAYBE, if you are HPV+ then MAYBE I would consider chemo alone. Nope, on second thought, I wouldn't risk it even if I was HPV+ because once it spreads beyond the nodes your survival chances go way way down. I would think that before they would do away with the rad and just agree to chemo, they would probably insist on a bilateral neck dissection and I would take the rad over the ND's any day. JM2C's
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 6 Member | OP Member Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 6 | Kelly, The cancer is in the lymph nodes and one is 2.5 cm. It is in the other side of the neck as well. Thank you for response. I am seeking multiple opinions.
Michael (49) 10.24.09 DX Tonsil Cancer - SCC Stage III T3N2B/ 12.14.09 Tonsillectomy Surgery/TX:Chemo; 1.5.2010 Eurbitux started; 1.12.2010 7weeks/ TX:RAD 35 concurrent 2 lymph nodes on left side, 1 lymph node on right and back of throat; 1.26.2010 PEG; 6.24.10 Clear PET; 7.8.2010 PEG removed.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 6 Member | OP Member Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 6 | All - Thanks so much for your quick responses. I did smoke for approximately twelve years (light smoker, about a pack per week) and quit thirteen years ago. The surgery went well and I'm thankful that there were ample clear margins around the growth. Right now the doctors feel comfortable not proceeding with a neck dissection until the radiation and chemo treatments are completed. The neck dissection will only be needed if the chemo and radiation treatments aren't successful. I was hopeful that a chemo only treatment might be possible because it seems the least invasive of the three (neck dissection, radiation and chemo). The doctors seem pretty set on the radiation in conjunction with chemo. The chemo drug that will be used is Erbitux. Has anyone had experience this drug? Again, my thanks for your quick responses. I really appreciate you sharing your experiences. It helps a lot.
Michael (49) 10.24.09 DX Tonsil Cancer - SCC Stage III T3N2B/ 12.14.09 Tonsillectomy Surgery/TX:Chemo; 1.5.2010 Eurbitux started; 1.12.2010 7weeks/ TX:RAD 35 concurrent 2 lymph nodes on left side, 1 lymph node on right and back of throat; 1.26.2010 PEG; 6.24.10 Clear PET; 7.8.2010 PEG removed.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 618 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 618 | Michael, There are many here who have experience with Erbitux so you should get some response from them on that. You can also go up to the top right of the page and put " Erbitux" in the search box. You will find a huge nimber of posts with this drug mentioned. Good luck
Kelly Male 48, SCC (Soft Palet) Rt., Stage 1, T3n0m0, Dx, 8-09, Start IMRT 35 9-2-09 end 10-21-09 04-20-10 NED 8-11 recurrence, node rt. neck N2b 10-11 33 IMRT w/chemo wkly 3-12-12 PET - residual cancer 4-12 5 treatments with Cyberknife & Erbitux 6-19-12 Pet scan CLEAR 12-3-12 PET - CLEAR
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