| Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 63 "OCF Down Under" Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 63 | thanks again guys...
they're confident of getting a clear margin when they do the surgery. also doing a partial (i think) neck dissection to remove my left lymph bits and pieces. My surgeon says if they get clear margin (tongue) and clear pathology from the lymph nodes then they will prefer not to do radiation cause i'm still kind of young (32), and you only get one go at being zapped.
meeting the plastic surgeon on friday so will get the lowdown on how he is planning to turn some of my wrist into some of my tongue!
best, jp
stage 2 scc in left oral tongue. 32 at dx removed 21/12/09 plus left neck dissection and upper arm flap. clear pathology 24/12/09 non-smoker active footballer/surfer social drinker lives stress-free!
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Have they confirmed through a biopsy that you have nodal involvement? If not I would not be inclined to do a potentially unnecessary ND especially at your young age.
It is also not necessarily true that you can only be radiated one as we have had several members here get it more than once and some even to the same area.
These are just my opinions and I am not a doctor of any means.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 63 "OCF Down Under" Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 63 | not confirmed yet. I was unsure about that too. will do some more asking, thanks for your thoughts on that.
stage 2 scc in left oral tongue. 32 at dx removed 21/12/09 plus left neck dissection and upper arm flap. clear pathology 24/12/09 non-smoker active footballer/surfer social drinker lives stress-free!
| | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 35 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: May 2009 Posts: 35 | JP,
We have quite similar situation in that my primary is on the left side of the tongue, and it took me also about 3 months from what I also thought was tongue ulcer to getting biopsy results confirming SCC. I did have nodal involvement, however, and underwent ND and total glossectomy, per my signature.
Regarding turning your wrist as a potential future part of your tongue, you may also want to bring up with your doctors the possibility of getting tissue from your thigh, like in my case (left thigh) which was preferred, aesthetically, over getting tissue from my forearm/wrist. I have no regrets with this choice, but there might be other reasons in your case for the wrist.
Jojo
Diagnosed: 16Feb'09 Pre-op Dx: Tongue SCCA Stage IVB (T4N2cM0) Opn: 2Mar'09. Total glossectomy, Neck dissection (Levels I-V), bilateral; Anterolateral, Thigh flap recon'n; Tracheostomy; PEG Decanullation: 24Mar'09 IMRT x30, concurrent with chemo (cisplatin) x3: May-Jun '09 PEG out: 23Oct'09
| | | | Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 63 "OCF Down Under" Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 63 | thanks for the advice Jojo I met with the plastic surgeon yesterday and he decided he wanted to take it from my upper arm just above my elbow. he said better skin to work with and bit bulkier. i'm not fussed about how things will look, so i've given him free reign to take it from wherever. Whatever bit gives him the best chance at giving me chance to speak reasonably normally (hopefully sing normally!) and eat and all that stuff.
was a fair reality-check of a day though i have to say.
anyway, thanks again to all who dropped in with advice/well-wishes....i hope christmas day finds you all eating some tasty food and sharing the day with good friends and family.
peace jp
stage 2 scc in left oral tongue. 32 at dx removed 21/12/09 plus left neck dissection and upper arm flap. clear pathology 24/12/09 non-smoker active footballer/surfer social drinker lives stress-free!
| | | | Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,301 "OCF Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,301 | JP, First of all welcome to the OCF Forum. You have already discovered how valuable it is for getting helpful advice from those who have experienced OC as either patients and carers. As you can see by my signature I had the flap from my wrist and while it is a crater that I refer to as a shark bite if asked, it does not bother me anymore when people see it and look puzzled. Just one thing re taking the flap from the wrist is that there is little hair and even though I had some growing initially I think with time it rubs off. Will look at my mouth again in the mirror shortly  Someone mentioned the thigh and I see yours will be above the elbow. Suspect it will be from the inside also which would not be too hairy? The very very best wishes for the operation on Monday. Where are you in Australia? Gabriele
History Leukoplakia bx 8/2006 SCC floor mouth T3N0M0- Verrucous Carcinoma. 14 hour 0p SCC-Right ND/excision/marginal mandibulectomy 9/2006, 4 teeth removed, flap from wrist, trach-ng 6 days- no chemo/rad. 6 ops and debulking (flap/tongue join) + bx's 2006-2012. bx Jan 2012 Hyperkeratosis-Epithelial Dysplasia 24cm GIST tumour removed 8/2013. Indefinite Oral Chemo.
1/31/16 passed away peacefully surrounded by family
| | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 | Hi Jon, Good luck with your surgery.�
As you can see from my signature, I was a Stage I with a neck dissection.� No chemo and no Radiation. I am very close to 5 years.
Jerry
Retired Dentist, 59 years old at diagnosis. SCC of the left lateral border of the tongue (Stage I). Partial glossectomy and 30 nodes removed, 4/6/05. Nodes all clear. No chemo no radiation 18 year survivor.
"Whatever doesn't kill me, makes me stronger"
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | Hi Jon and welcome aboard our slow moving express special of surviving. I will taste Christmas Dinner if they have some good home made dressing with potatoes and dressing. We musn't forget the home made pie with well cooked apples. It might sound strange, but with this mouth, apples have to be almost sauce to be edible. Merry Christmas all. Notice I didn't say Happy Holidays!!!!I celebrate for Christs birth not some idiot's misery he trys to shove at us. JIM
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 63 "OCF Down Under" Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 63 | hi Gabriele
sorry i didnt see your post earlier, so replying now!
yup they went for above elbow, but on the lateral (outside) of the arm along the bicep muscle. PS said best tissue to work with there, and will give me some bulk in my new tongue.
you might have spotted one of my other posts about the nerve damage i've had as a result of the graft. annoying, but slowly getting over it i think. still not able to sleep without painkillers because of it though which is a bummer.
my arm not very hairy where they took it so i might get lucky and not get a hairy tongue!
im in sydney also, was on the northern beaches, but moved out of my place back to mums (inland a bit!) before going in for surgery. staying here till i start working again regularly.
cheers jp
stage 2 scc in left oral tongue. 32 at dx removed 21/12/09 plus left neck dissection and upper arm flap. clear pathology 24/12/09 non-smoker active footballer/surfer social drinker lives stress-free!
| | | | Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 38 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 38 | I, too have just been diagnosed, having an MRI Friday, and scheduling surgery within the next few weeks. I appreciate the advice to eat, and I am going to the fridge for some ravioli as we speak. I have already lost 20 pounds because of the ulcer on my tongue, so do not want to lose too much more. Proud to weigh what I did when hubby and I met 18 years ago, but unfortunate that it is due to SCC.
Barb
Teacher aged 48, SCC Left side and floor of Tongue, Dx December, 2009. Stage II T2 N0 M0 Successful partial glossectomy surgery with thigh flap and neck dissection 3/8/10. 6 weeks of radiation tx ended 6/30/10. Happily surviving!
"Get outside every day. Miracles are waiting everywhere."
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