| Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | As I read more and more article about the importance of diet and nutrition in avoiding cancer, etc.; I am struck by the very large number of Caregivers here who do not appear to have gotten cancer. Yet in most cases, these angels have been with the cancer patient for many years. Now I know everybody is different but my wife and I ate the same meals at breakfast and dinner. No matter whether she cooked or I grilled, the menu was the same. That's also how I grew up as my mother was not a short order cook making 5 different meals for our family. So did all of you Caregivers cook a different meal for the person who now has cancer? If not, doesn't that raise some serious questions about the purported "anti-cancer" effect of nutrition? BTW, of course my caregiver cooks her meals in one person servings as I pour jevity down my PEG so this question only applies to pre cancer meal preparation.
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65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
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Patty 08-10-09 Partial Glossectomy w/suprahyoid neck dissection SCC T1NOMX Stage I | 46 years old
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Do you mean why did we get cancer and our families did not when we all ate the same food?
My house is like your's...when I was home my mom cooked the same food for everyone and we all ate whatever she made. Same with me and Ray we always eat the same food.
Suzanne *********** T1 SCC on right side of tongue Age 31...27 when diagnosed 4 partial glossectomies No chemo or radiation Biopsy on 2/2/10-Clear Surgery needed again...no later than April 2011 Loving life and just became a mother on 11/25/10 It's not what we CAN'T do..it's what we CAN do:)
| | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | Susanne Ah, you rephrased my question so much better than my convoluted approach. I brought this up in the general forum rather than the sub-forum with diet & exercise therapies because while I am familiar with their posts, my question was triggered by the rash of books and articles on how diet or nutrition can prevent cancer. Yet, if the caregiver, the eventual cancer patient, and the rest of the non cancer family all had the same meals, indeed as you restated the question, why didn't they also get cancer? I am openly skeptical based on my personal experience about the generalities of diet and cancer as applied to head and neck cancer. HPV & environmental issues seem more likely culprits. While I can't be sure why I got cancer twice, I am getting very tired of reading it is because of what I ate or did not eat. Whoops, got to watch my tone or else post this in the 'coping anger forum" under my "don'tcha hate it when" thread. 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
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thanks for confirming my experience. It will be interesting to see if the cancer patients were all eating big macs and the caregivers cooked alone or else if they were short order cooks. 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 40 "OCF Canuck" Contributing Member (25+ posts) | "OCF Canuck" Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 40 | [quote=Charm2017]Susanne Ah, you rephrased my question so much better than my convoluted approach. I brought this up in the general forum rather than the sub-forum with diet & exercise therapies because while I am familiar with their posts, my question was triggered by the rash of books and articles on how diet or nutrition can prevent cancer. Yet, if the caregiver, the eventual cancer patient, and the rest of the non cancer family all had the same meals, indeed as you restated the question, why didn't they also get cancer? I am openly skeptical based on my personal experience about the generalities of diet and cancer as applied to head and neck cancer. HPV & environmental issues seem more likely culprits. While I can't be sure why I got cancer twice, I am getting very tired of reading it is because of what I ate or did not eat. Whoops, got to watch my tone or else post this in the 'coping anger forum" under my "don'tcha hate it when" thread. [/quote] I'm not one to place a great deal of stock in unproven diet claims however, to answer your question, I think the reason people who eat the same diet may have different health outcomes is for the same reason people who smoke cigarettes have different health outcomes. | | | | Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,004 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,004 | I agree with Mike, all of our bodies handle things differently. It's kind of like people who eat whatever they want and they don't put on weight and other people put on a lot of weight....it is an interesting thought Charm. Food for thought...lol I guess it's our body chemistry
I have read a lot about the food we eat and it's relationship to cancer too. For instance cancer patients should eat blueberries and blackberries amoung others. We shouldn't eat sugar and fat. I think that is true for everyone not just us C people....don't you think?
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Suzanne *********** T1 SCC on right side of tongue Age 31...27 when diagnosed 4 partial glossectomies No chemo or radiation Biopsy on 2/2/10-Clear Surgery needed again...no later than April 2011 Loving life and just became a mother on 11/25/10 It's not what we CAN'T do..it's what we CAN do:)
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Help me out here, what is that reason? 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
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Help me out here, what is that reason? [/quote]
We're all different genetically and immunologically (is that a word!). | | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | Mike and Suzanne
I got that we are all unique, but the majority of smokers do get cancer. However, the majority of caregivers do not get cancer even though they eat the same food. Still sounds like nutrition is more of wish factor than causative factor. 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
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