#10547 05-10-2007 01:06 PM | Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 525 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 525 | This article appeared in The Washington Post today. I believe it is related to the study in the New England Journal of Medicine that Leslie B posted here yesterday. HERE IS THE LINK: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/09/AR2007050902322.html?nav=hcmodule
DX 3-21-07 L tongue,SCC Stage IV (T3N2MO) TX Slash/Burn/Poison Method. ***Rapid Aggressive Recurrence 8-4-07 with same DX/TX. Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. Never Give Up! ****UPDATE**** Our dear friend Petey passed away, RIP 9-2-07
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#10548 05-11-2007 12:56 AM | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 | I am ashamed to say that when i opened my daily paper yesterday i was greeted by the sensationalised headline ORAL SEX CAUSES THROAT CANCER!!!Although i strongly agree HPV links need to be brought to the attention of the public,i cant help feeling that this sort of headline doesnt help anyone.On the other hand maybe the headline made a lot more people read the article ,which touched briefly on research done,and ended with the advice that men should wear condoms.Does any body else feel that endless sensationlist press releases quoting dubious research information about danger in just about everything we eat or do doesnt help the cause at all.The Sun Newspaper are running a campaign called "War on Cancer" but it seems so shallow that i am not sure it will help Liz in the UK
Liz in the UK
Husband Robin aged 44 years Dx 8th Dec 2006 poorly differentiated SCC tongue with met to neck T1N2cM0 Surgery and Radiation.Finished TX April 2007 Recurrence June/07 died July 29th/07.
Never take your eye off the ball, it may just smack you in the mouth.
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#10549 05-11-2007 01:10 AM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 | Letterman actually used that headline in a sort of "throwaway" laugh line about Paris Hilton in his monologue last night -- talk about poor taste and not getting the point!
Cathy
Tongue SCC (T2M0N0), poorly differentiated, diagnosed 3/89, partial glossectomy and neck dissection 4/89, radiation from early June to late August 1989
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#10550 05-11-2007 01:19 AM | Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 294 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 294 | Liz,
Sounds like your print media over there works about the same way as it does here.
Bill D.
Dx 4/27/06, SCC, BOT, Stage III/IV, Tx 5/25/06 through 7/12/06 - 33 IMRT and 4 chemo, radical right side neck dissection 9/20/06.
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#10551 05-11-2007 01:32 AM | Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 294 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 294 | Let's hope that neither Letterman or any other "Hollywood liberal" is ever touched by this horrible disease. It would be amazing I'm sure to see how their tunes would change to such things.
Bill D.
Dx 4/27/06, SCC, BOT, Stage III/IV, Tx 5/25/06 through 7/12/06 - 33 IMRT and 4 chemo, radical right side neck dissection 9/20/06.
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#10552 05-11-2007 02:48 AM | Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,627 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,627 | The evil side of me wishes Letterman would wake up one day with a honker of a tumor blocking his throat.............then a huge headline in ever newspaper stating, "Hey Dave, we know what YOU'VE been doing!" The reasonable side of me, the one that always wins, knows that unless one has oral cancer or is involved with someone that is suffering from it.........then they most likely will find humor in what Letterman said.
SCC Left Mandible. Jaw replaced with bone from leg. Neck disection, 37 radiation treatments. Recurrence 8-28-07, stage 2, tongue. One third of tongue removed 10-4-07. 5-23-08 chemo started for tumor behind swallowing passage, Our good friend and much loved OCF member Minnie has been lost to the disease (RIP 10-29-08). We will all miss her greatly.
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#10553 05-11-2007 04:07 AM | Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 525 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 525 | Hello All I first read the article in the Palm Beach Post. It was titled: (" HPV increases throat cancer risk, study shows") Under this heading it reads: The Washington Post, to give them credit for the article. (I guess?) When I looked up the article in the Washington Post online, I was AMAZED at the extent of which The Palm Beach Post EDITED the article, including the headline itself.("Virus Spread by Oral Sex Is Linked to Throat Cancer") Here is the Palm Beach Post VERSION: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/search/content/nation/epaper/2007/05/10/a18a_hpv_0510.html This is the ORIGINAL article from The Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/09/AR2007050902322.html?nav=hcmodule Is there an ULTERIOR MOTIVE here, or did they just need the "print space"? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS?
DX 3-21-07 L tongue,SCC Stage IV (T3N2MO) TX Slash/Burn/Poison Method. ***Rapid Aggressive Recurrence 8-4-07 with same DX/TX. Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. Never Give Up! ****UPDATE**** Our dear friend Petey passed away, RIP 9-2-07
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#10554 05-11-2007 04:48 AM | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 | Petey --
Take a deep breath; there's no big conspiracy here.
Here's some sausage-making information:
Newspapers across the country subscribe to various wire services, including Associated Press and Reuters (the two main providers of basic coverage), the Los Angeles Times/Washington Post service, the New York Times service, Bloomberg, McClatchy, etc. Almost every paper subscribes to AP and/or Reuters; the others (LATWP. NYT, etc.) are considered "supplemental" services, meaning that they do not have the breadth of coverage that AP or Reuters does (but they often delve into topics on a more analytical or deeper level).
Headlines are written by copy editors at each individual newspaper, so the headline on a story in the Washington Post will be different from the headlines in other newspapers that pick up that same story from the LATWP wire. Headlines are written to fit the column width alloted to each story, and that is different in each newspaper. Often stories will be sent out on the wire with "suggested" headlines, but that's all they are -- suggestions -- and they are most often not the same headlines that appear in the paper. In addition, each paper has its own standards of propriety -- it may be OK to use the words "oral sex" in a headline in the Washington Post, but not OK in Palm Beach.
Editing is a matter of individual judgment at each newspaper. Often it has to do with the amount of space available, and that depends on the number of ads sold and the size of those ads. (On the inside pages, news fills in the space around the ads.)
Sometimes, as in the case of this Palm Beach Post article, the editors will take what they consider to be the most relevant information from the wire services they subscribe to and combine it into one story -- you'll note that the credit line for the article you linked to is "Palm Beach Post wire services".
There is no "rule" requiring that stories sent out on the wire be run by every subscribing paper at the full length; as a national news wire editor in the early 1980s, I would often take a few graphs from AP, a few from LATWP, maybe some from Reuters, some background from previous stories we had run on a similar topic and put it all together under the credit line "From [paper's name] wire services." That's perfectly legitimate (though if one story had exclusive quotes, I'd attribute those along the lines of ".... Sen. Blowhard told Associated Press").
It may be that because of the recent story about your circumstances, the editors in Palm Beach thought that just a short story noting the Hopkins study was sufficient. The important thing is that information about this study is being published in newspapers across the country, and that is good news for all of us.
-- Leslie
Leslie
April 2006: Husband dx by dentist with leukoplakia on tongue. Oral surgeon's biopsy 4/28/06: Moderate dysplasia; pathology report warned of possible "skip effect." ENT's excisional biopsy (got it all) 5/31/06: SCC in situ/small bit superficially invasive. Early detection saves lives.
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#10555 05-11-2007 12:37 PM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 64 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 64 | cookey - opinions aside, this is NOT dubious research, and validates much work done over the last decade and longer by many prestigious institutions and researchers. Gillison, who is an OCF board member, is held in the highest regard by her peers, and I can assure you that this data is beyond reproach. It is not a casual observation but a valuable insight into the mechanisms by which the increasing rate of oral cancer incidence is happening. This story made the FRONT page of the LA Times yesterday.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | |
#10556 05-12-2007 08:00 AM | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 | Brian i think you misunderstood me.I was refferring to an article published in the Sun Newspaper in England and it didn't quote any source that i am aware of. If it did i apologise but like most people in the UK i was blinded by the rather sensationalised headlines which i am sure a lot of people never got beyond. I have read all the posts about HPV on this site and particularly Davids and i am very aware that a great deal of thorough and painstaking research has been done into the links with Oral Cancer,but i also know that as a result of the article published in the Sun,the topic of conversation in the local pub is rather less serious and mostly consists of cheap shots at humour on the subject. I take all research and advances into any type of cancer very seriously particularly Oral Cancer as it affects me so personally. I do not feel it is ever a subject that should be the butt of bar room jokes and as far as i am concerned THIS ARTICAL is making HPV just another amusing subject to be laughed about and forgotten just like so many other surveys we read about in the press almost daily in this country If offence was taken at my post i am sorry ,but my question was "What do you think of the subject being sensationalised?"and i am glad to see other like minded people who deplore such valuable research being turned into a subject of feeble minded humour particularly when my husband is on the receiving end of it.
Liz in the UK
Husband Robin aged 44 years Dx 8th Dec 2006 poorly differentiated SCC tongue with met to neck T1N2cM0 Surgery and Radiation.Finished TX April 2007 Recurrence June/07 died July 29th/07.
Never take your eye off the ball, it may just smack you in the mouth.
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