David, Mary just gave you a great suggestion. I did the same thing with John[who started off not wanting to know anything about the real issues in his tx. protocol.] He thought "O.K.- cut it out, zap me a few times and that is all there is to it" As the reality started to hit the fan, so to speak, I just printed out posts that were relevant to what he was experiencing at the time and left them lying around [on the kitchen counter or coffee table] and he began to read them. It wasn't long before he was giving me questions to post and asking for printouts of what I had learned on OCF on my nightly visits. He won't sit in front of a computer to we have reams of paper and our own OCF book now. That old Indian wisdom has been in my caretaker mind for almost 2 years. now. "You must Walk in someone's footsteps before you can know their path". [ Iknow that is a paraphrase] Amy