I just noticed too what Eshwar stated. I don't know believe it or not exactly the #'s and all that stuff you all type that Ron was diagnosed with, I'm going to have to ask his doc one of these days for darn sure. But, Ron's cancer was underneath his tounge where it connects and it I would say was an ulcerated tumor also cuz it was like a hole there and thank God when you see all those blood vessels in there that the way his was so big, that what happened to Ken didn't happen to him. So yes, I don't understand why they didn't do the surgery right off the bat also. Has anybody else here had that bad of a hole from the cancer and not have their tongue removed and just had radiation and chemo? I need to pay more attention to those diagnosises. Not a dr so I really don't understand all that, all I know is everybody who has cancer on here has had some kind of surgery to remove it right away. So now I'm learning more about this cancer in particular. His was like the size of a quarter I'd say or so I thought it looked that way, I wasn't staring at it too long when he showed me what was going on in his mouth. I got to call the docs office and see if they can tell me exactly what he had medical terms wise. I don't know what N0M0 means after all I've been through with Ron, I feel dumb now... and I want to ask bout HPV too.