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#172751 10-18-2013 12:38 PM
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I wasn't sure where to ask this question but I decided to write it under Treatment. What is the difference of the 2 types of test? What can a pet scan see that the CT Scan could not see? A pet scan is about Php150,000 or $3,750. For checking the spread or mets of the cancer, what is more exact?

Note: Joyce never had a Pet Scan due to cost. Would there be a huge impact on her treatment and diagnosis in the past? present?


Joyce March 1940 to January 2014
A wife, a mother, grandmother and great grandmother.
She fought oral cancer from late 2009 to Early 2014.
2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
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Ina, Im sorry but I dont know the exact differences between the PET and CT scans. But I do know a little about them and will attempt to help you with some info. PET scans are known to give false positives and are very expensive. From what I understand a CT scan is a good alternative to the PET without the false positives (much less cost too).


Christine
SCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44
2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07
-65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr
Clear PET 1/08
4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I
surg 4/16/08 clr marg
215 HBO dives
3/09 teeth out, trismus
7/2/09 recur, Stg IV
8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy
3wks medicly inducd coma
2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit
PICC line IV antibx 8 mo
10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg
OC 3x in 3 years
very happy to be alive smile
Ina #172769 10-18-2013 02:43 PM
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Hi Ina,
I am not a doctor, so please take this with a grain of salt, but I am a scientist who does imaging for living (in my case MRI), so I am a bit informed about the topic.

CT/CAT scans are basically fancy versions of X-ray imaging. CT stands for computed tomography. X-rays are used to make a three-dimensional anatomical image of the body area in question. Cancers can be detected by the swelling and anatomical distortion they cause, or by surrounding edema.

PET( positron emission tomography)is based on detecting pairs of gamma rays emitted indirectly by a radioactive biologically active contrast agent introduced into a body.
**( Technically, the contrast agent/tracer is unstable, decays by emitting a positron, which happens to be a particle that is anti-electron. When positron meets an electron in the tissue after traveling a little they annihilate emitting a pair of gamma rays, and an 3-D image can me made to show the origin of where those gamma-rays)**.
PET is used to detect areas of high metabolic activity in the body. It typically uses a molecule called FDG, an analogue of glucose. All the cells in our body use glucose for their metabolism, but some use more than normal. This can be perfectly normal, for example, our brain, which constantly uses a lot of energy. Also, cancers use more energy then normal cells, so this is how they are detected.
The radioactive dose one receives is very small so there is no need to worry. PET is pretty good at detecting metastases around the body, as well as primary cancers. It can not detect very small cancers.
PET suffers from poor resolution so sometimes when they do PET they will do a PET/CT, use CT images for anatomy and overlay PET ones on the top to show activity.

So, to summarize, CT will show if something looks bigger/has swollen etc (anatomy). PET will show if it has a high metabolic activity (function). The can be complimentary. Either of those can be indication of cancer, but doesn't have to be, things can be swollen/have higher activity and not be cancer. Biopsy is the only way to tell if something is cancer or not. Images tell us where to look.

In my case, I had both CT and PET/CT done. CT has detected my primary tumor but nothing in the lymph nodes in the neck as they were all the normal size/not swollen. PET, on the other hand, has in addition to the primary tumor, also detected activity in the lymph node area. After surgery, one of the removed nodes, pretty small one, 7mm, was positive for cancer.


36, female, left tonsil HPV+ SCC, T2N1
8/28/13 SCC in left tonsil
9/12/13 surgery:TORS and selective neck dissection (levels II-IV), 23 nodes removed
9/18/13 post surgery biopsy: 2mm clear margins, a 7mm lymph node positive in level IV, no ECL
10/28/13 rad begins, 30 treatments, tomotherapy
12/09/13 radiation ends!
2/10/14 papillary thyroid cancer
2/26/14 PET shows clear neck other than thyroid cancer, but with high uptake in an ovarian cyst
2/27/14 thyroidectomy
3/5/14 pelvic ultrasound



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Amazing info. Thanks for sharing it.
Prayers for you as you begin your journey with radiation. No chemo?
Kathy


Kathy wife/caregiver to:
Kevin age:53
Dx 7/15/11
HPV16+ SCC Stage IV BOT/R
Non smoker, casual drinker
7/27/11 Cistplatin, taxotere,5FU 2/3week sessions, followed by IMRT 125cgy x 60 (2x daily) w/Erbitux weekly. Last rad 10/26/11. Last Erbitux 10/27/11
PEG placed 9/1/11 Removed 11/8/11
Clear PET 10/12 and 10/13 and ct in 6/14
Ina #172836 10-20-2013 04:12 AM
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You are very welcome Kathy, hope it is helpful and not too technical.
Thank you for your prayers. No chemo indeed, my RO said no MO would ever even touch me at this point. Here is to hoping they are right and I will never need it.


36, female, left tonsil HPV+ SCC, T2N1
8/28/13 SCC in left tonsil
9/12/13 surgery:TORS and selective neck dissection (levels II-IV), 23 nodes removed
9/18/13 post surgery biopsy: 2mm clear margins, a 7mm lymph node positive in level IV, no ECL
10/28/13 rad begins, 30 treatments, tomotherapy
12/09/13 radiation ends!
2/10/14 papillary thyroid cancer
2/26/14 PET shows clear neck other than thyroid cancer, but with high uptake in an ovarian cyst
2/27/14 thyroidectomy
3/5/14 pelvic ultrasound



Ina #172839 10-20-2013 08:10 AM
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Ina,
in my husband's case, the CT did not pick up the primary, only the enlarged lymph node. The PET/CT did pick up the primary, as well a little activity in a second lymph node. So in our case, the CT was a false negative for the primary.

I think the question to as in Joyce's case, is what would the doctors do with the additional information, and would it lead to an improved chance of cure or better quality of life. Of course, Joyce and the family would need to ask themselves a similar questions - for some, having a more definitive result (good or bad) is better than having less information.

I just lost my dad to congestive heart failure this spring, and my thoughts are with you and yours in this difficult time. Please remember that, as much as we wish, we cannot always give health and youth back to our parents. We can give love and care, and you are doing this as much as is humanly possible.

Maria


CG to husband - SCC Tonsil T1N2M0 HPV+ Never Smoker
First symptoms 7/2010, DX 12/2010
TX 40 IRMT (1.8 gy) + 10 Cetuximab
PET Scans 6/2011 + 3/2012 clear, 5 year physical exam clear; chest CT's clear of cancer. On thyroid pills. Life is good.

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