#78562 08-12-2008 06:13 AM | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 |
To anyone who has trismus. I dont want to waste my time going to yet another doctor who wont be able to help me. Have any of you gone thru physical therapy for trismus? My dentist referred me to a physical therapist who specializes in TMJ.
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 | I have developed trismus as well. My RO gave me a large handfull of tongue depressors and said that they will do what the expensive devices will do. My dentist said pretty much the same thing. My dentist also gave me a brochure on TMJ with exercises that you can do at home for it. (Possibly the same kind of exercises that you would receive at PT, but I'm not sure) I've been using the tongue depressors and they seem to work ok, but I still can't open my mouth as wide as I used to be able to. I guess I'll just keep working on it. Hope this helps.
Nine years out. New normal with limitations, but surviving and living life to the fullest.
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Ive done the tongue depressors, can only get 2 in. I also do all kinds of jaw exercises. Im starting to work with a speech therapist and soon the physical therapist. Im hoping they will help me to make progress with the therabite. Im pretty much going from doctor to doctor trying to find someone who will 'fix' me.
I need extensive dental work. I have done HBO which has helped significantly with fatigue and pain. Once I am able to open my mouth then I can get my dental work completed. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 149 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 149 | I found therabyte much more effective than the tongue depressors.
Dx 10/06 Adenoid Cystic carcinoma; Stage I. Soft palate/minor salivary glands. Tx surgery 11/06 Tomotherapy (targeted IMRT) 3/07
| | | | Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 794 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 794 | At about a month after surgery, my surgeon asked if I was working on opening my jaws......I said that I didn't know anything about that, and he said, well you'd better get busy (as if I should have known that!!) He ordered the Therabyte, and I used it faithfully. I feel that it saved my ability to open my mouth. I still stretch and exercise my mouth many times a day, and I even use my hand to pull my lower jaw downward to force it open a bit more than it wants to open. If I had not done this, I would have been restricted forever....and if I don't keep doing it, it tightens up some.....not like after surgery, but some. I even have found that massaging that strip of tissue that holds your jaw together did some good.....at least I imagined that it did. I used my thumb, since it was easier to get it back there, and I warmed it in some warm water.....helped to soften and stretch that tissue, I felt.
He also told me....sorta off-handedly.....that I'd better get busy massaging my neck (again, as if I should have known to do that...scares me to think he might have forgotten to mention that.) now my neck is as soft and pliable as the other side, though there is less tissue there, and I can feel every blood vessel and tendon. I hope I don't run into a sticker bush, or I'll bleed to death! Seriously, I got some lovely cream, and I really "worked it over" like he told me to do, and I still give it a going-over every night when I put "stuff" on my face for night-time.
I found that the Therabyte forced me to work harder than I could have done with the depressors. It is mucho expensive, though, so if insurance won't pay for it, you might consider another method.
If you need it, you should have it, regardless of the price. Don't settle for compromised bite opening unnecessarily!!
Last edited by August; 08-13-2008 11:34 AM.
Colleen--T-2N0M0 SCC dx'd 12/28/05...Hemi-maxillectomy, partial palatectomy, neck dissection 1/4/06....clear margins, neg. nodes....no radiation, no chemo....Cancer-free at 4 years!
| | | | Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 | Hi Christine, You do not say where you are in PA. While I did not have a major trismus problems, the PT I go to in Lawrenceville, NJ, just south of Princeton, specializes in TMJ. He does intra and extra oral massage as part of his treatment. He treated me after both my neck dissections and radiation. If you would like his name and number, please email me.
Take care, Eileen
---------------------- Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
| | | | Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 4 Member | Member Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 4 | My mother has developed trimus after surgery in january She is now on a feeding tube because she cannot open her mouth to eat. She had tongue depressors and the therabite system. Her speech is muffled and she has to write things for us to understand her. He doctors are not giving us any conclusive information as to why she is in soooooo much pain she is on daluadid and has a a patch on her arm for pain. She lost a tooth the other day just came right out from the root. She still spits blood clots. I do not know what to do. We think that after surgery there maybe some gauze packing or some other material left inside her. Would an MRI pick that up. Her doctors are scratching their heads and we need answers. Currently at UPENN in Philadelphia | | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 21 Member | Member Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 21 | Has anyone had to use or been recommended to use Dynasplint? I've heard it costs $30k.
Age 37, low grade mucoepidermoid carcinoma of the upper right palate 7/15/2008, Never Used Tobacco, runner (3 marathons!), Shorin Ryu Karateka, Husband, Father of three (8,5,3)... and does this mean I can go skydiving now?
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SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Eileen, Im too far from your area. I live over an hour north of Philly. Maybe that would help Ameenah's mom. Ive heard of Dynasplint. A while back someone on here had been posting info on it.
Im still waiting to start physical therapy, its being held up cuz of insurance.
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Stephen, you may want to try to contact William Dozier. He had a post a few months back about the Dynasplint. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 21 Member | Member Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 21 |
Age 37, low grade mucoepidermoid carcinoma of the upper right palate 7/15/2008, Never Used Tobacco, runner (3 marathons!), Shorin Ryu Karateka, Husband, Father of three (8,5,3)... and does this mean I can go skydiving now?
| | | | Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 8 Member | Member Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 8 | cancer base of tonuge and after Radiation could only open my mouth about half way. I went to PT but did not work. I excercise by extending my jaws 5 or 6 times a day at a count of 15 and I belive there has been some improvement | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 |
Frank, thanks for your input, I appreciate hearing from someone who has been there. Ive been doing that for months. I start my physical therapy and speech therapy next week. I was only able to open my mouth about 2 tongue depressors wide now can probably do about 6. So Ive seen an improvement I think from the HBO and exercises. Still have a way to go before I cn open 1/2 way. I would be happy with that.
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 383 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 383 | Christine: Hang in there, it will get better and will continue to! I was referred to a Speech Therapist who works side by side with my surgeon and she worked miracles for me. Very patient, made me work at it, but gave me some very effective exercises. It was like going to a gym and working any other muscles, at times painful, stressful, not fun, exhausting, but in the end, effective. I still do several of them a little more random than in the past but that coupled with a Biotene gum habit I stay pretty loose and function. I believe it's also helped my mobility with my tongue and definitley helped me with situating solid food and swallowing better. I still have my days for sure, but there's options and hope for improvement! Best Wishes, Steve
SCC right side BOT/FOM; DX 1-25-06; Neck dissection/25% of tongue removed 2-17-06. Stage 2 Recurrence 7-06: IMRTX35 & 3X Cisplatin ended 10-18-06. Tumor found 03/18/13; Partial Glossectomy 03/28/13 left lateral tongue. Nov. 2014; headaches,lump on left side of throat. Radical Neck Dissection 12-17-14; Tumor into nerves/jugular; Surgery successful, IMRTX30 & 7X Erbotux. Scan 06-03-15; NED! 06-02-16; Mets to left Humerus bone and lesion on lungs-here We go again! Never, Ever Give Up!
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| | | | Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 8 Member | Member Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 8 | I have been using a OraStretch for 4 weeks now and have seen a small improvement but need to understand will take a long time. You should ask your PT about getting this device.. | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Thats good news that the orasure is working for you. Seems once your jaws tighten up its a huge battle to get them moving normally again. For right now Im kinda on hold.
Since last week my throat has been bothering me. I wasnt able to do HBO cuz couldnt clear my ear again. My throat became so bad I was struggling to swallow so I went to my ENT. I have some swelling in my throat and am now on medicine to fix it. If the steroids dont work by Friday, Im going to be stuck back into the hospital (for the 4th time since Ive had cancer).
Needless to say, there went the progress I had made with my physical therapy. My jaw, mouth and throat are all pretty sore so I havent been doing my PT exercises. I can tell that Im sliding backwards and there isnt anything I can do to stop this.
All I can say is ONE DAY I WILL BE BETTER! And it will be better than what I am now, it will be very close to how I was before. Im very determined that cancer will NOT ever get the best of me, I will prevail. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Christine,
Why is your mouth sore? Is that due to the swelling? What has caused the swelling?
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Recently Ive been to alot of doctors for second opinions, they all must poke around my mouth and show their trainees too. I now feel a tiny fragment from what I think is the top L molar that was removed before chemo/rad last year. This has been irritated by all the poking around and also by doing physcial therapy to stretch my jaw.
Last week I had a hard time clearing my L ear for HBO, its always the L side that gives me problems. Anyway, I wasnt able to swallow as easily as I had been doing and noticed this progressively getting worse over the weekend. By Monday morning I could barely swallow at all. Could be many reasons, had to turn on the heat cuz it got so cold, started using my fireplace again, just plain old infection that went to my throat. Who knows.
My ENT scoped me and said throat is swollen and gave me predisone to fix it. Said it should work in 24 hours. Told me if its not better by Fri. then I need to go back into hosp. for IV steroids which is inpatient. Last time he gave me a deadline, I got stuck at the hospital for 10 days before they let me out. Needless to say, Im pretty miserable dreading another hospital stay since my throat hasnt improved much at all.
Now, since Ive skipped HBO and PT, my mouth is back to 4mm opening. Ive lost everything I worked so hard for and now probably will need to go back to the darn PEG feedings again. Im struggling to swallow chicken and stars soup. Also Im back to my 3000 calorie chocolate peanutbutter milkshakes too, at least my taste is here so I know what tastes good. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | So sorry but I hope things improve and you don't have to go back to the hospital.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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I am so sorry that you seem to be slipping backward on your recovery efforts...so frustrating.
Sending prayers and positive thoughts your way,
Hugs, Deb
Deb..caregiver to husband, age 63 at diagnosis, former smoker who quit in 1997. DIAGNOSIS: 6/26/07 SCC right tonsil/BOT T4N0M0 TREATMENT START: 8/9/07 cisplatin/taxol X 7..IMRT twice daily X 31.5. TREATMENT END: 10/1/07 PEG OUT: 1/08 PORT OUT: 4/09 FOLLOWUP: Now only annual exams. ALL CLEAR!
Passed away 1/7/17 RIP Bill
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | I will be ok, I always am ok no matter what. The anger of 'why me' never hit me throughout all my battles. I was always the one who said, whats next, lets fix this so I can move on. My goal has always been to get back to normal and regain my life again. This set back has me discouraged. I worked so hard the past few months and now have gone backwards to where I started again. My thinking has begun to change from the 'lets fix this' attitude. Im very troubled by how quickly the past 4 months of work has just erased itself like it never happened. The part that bothers me the most is that Im losing my positive attitude. I guess everybody gets to a point where enough is enough and reality hits you hard. Im sure glad that I have the kind and wise people of OCF to listen to me. It makes me feel like Im a big sissy to complain since there are so many worse off than me. Trying to rationalize this isnt always easy. Thanks for listening ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 756 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 756 Likes: 1 | I've had setbacks through my road to recovery, and it is easy to get discouraged. I guess I felt that if I do everything the doctors tell me to do, I will make continued progress. But unfortunately there are a few bumps in the road.
I'm sure this setback will be shortlived. You are under good medical care, and you do have the right attitude (even though you lost if for a few days), and you can turn this around. We are all praying for you.
Susan
SCC R-Lateral tongue, T1N0M0 Age 47 at Dx, non-smoker, casual drinker, HPV- Surgery: June 2005 RT: Feb-Apr 2006 HBOT: 45 in 2008; 30 in 2013; 30 in 2022 -> Total 105! Recurrence/Surgeries: Jan & Apr 2010 Biopsy 2/2011: Moderate dysplasia Surgery 4/2011: Mild dysplasia Dental issues: 2013-2022 (ORN)
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