#69239 02-04-2008 06:08 AM | Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 Senior Member (100+ posts) | OP Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 | Yesterday I tried something that I didn't think I could eat, and guess what?...I could NOT eat it! It was a grilled cheese sandwich. The bread and cheese just stuck to my teeth like Play Doh. I became so discouraged that I cried all day thinking I would never eat normally again. Will this EVER get better? I am only 7 1/2 months out of treatments but I feel like I should be making better progress. Did any of you experience anything similar when you tried eating new things? I am now back to eating bean soups and Salisbury steak TV dinners. I'm getting so sick of eating the same old things. I want so badly to get off this PEG tube! Did any of you experience this kind of plateau? Hope to hear from you.
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Nine years out. New normal with limitations, but surviving and living life to the fullest.
| | | | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 622 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 622 | Yes it is a bummer, believe me I know. My dogs absolutely love it when I try something different It's all about trial and error, and trying not to get discouraged. I have found that food can taste great, but I can't eat it because it is either too chewy or sticky, or it simply does not taste the same as it did pre-treatments. For now stick to what works, and slowly start to add new stuff. Kevin 18 YEAR SURVIVOR SCC Tongue (T3N0M0) diag 06/2006. No evidence of disease 2010 Another PET 12-2014 pre-HBO, still N.E.D.
�Remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. It matters that you don't just give up.� Stephen Hawking | | | | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 | This sucks. However, not all cheese is created equal as is bread. You just have to experiment. Generally the more fatty the stuff is the easier I can eat it.... of course that excludes really hard (crumbly) mountain cheese and crusty bread...... Try mixed vegetables, macaroni, mashed potatoes etc. How about seafood? Shrimp etc, croissant, sourdough bread? I got so sick and tired of canned soups that I cannot even look at them now.
Markus
Partial glossectomy (25%) anterior tongue. 4/6/07/. IMRT start @5/24/07 (3x) Erbitux start/end@ 5/24/07. IMRT wider field (30x) start 6/5/07. Weekly cisplatin (2x30mg/m2), then weekly carbo- (5x180mg/m2). End of Tx 19 July 07.
| | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | How about very softly scrambled eggs, with melted cheese on top? That was one of my son's favorites. Chicken fricassee was another which I made by boiling a chicken or just breasts until the meat was falling off the bone and then using the broth to make a cream sauce for the cut up pieces of chicken and adding canned peas and carrots. This can be spread over a piece of soft bread or mashed potatoes. My son still likes a lot of sauce or gravy generously poured over ground beef or chicken. Sometimes I blend in carrots with the mashed potatoes. Tastes do change and I had to learn not to buy too much of one thing because I never knew when it wouldn't be the "favorite" any more! You just have to keep trying new things because you never know when you'll hit something that really works for you. And things really do get better!
Anne-Marie CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
| | | | Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 67 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 67 | I know how you feel your not alone i also get devestated when i think i will be able to eat something then it sticks to my mouth (im trying to get better ) and the taste can be awful i loved strawberry flavoured things pre treatment now i cant stand the taste at all ...we will get better my Dr told me not to be so hard on myself as it can take a good year to start to feel better
we will get there
Age 40 Diagnosed with stage 4 SCC tongue, sept 07 started 35 radiation treatments and 3 chemo Had my first follow up PET - got the all clear 17th April 2008. 26th Had my PEG tube removed...eating almost everything. Was hard but learned to eat without saliva, it's so good to chew and swallow food!
| | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | One other thing about the grilled cheese sticking - I don't know if this makes a difference, but when I fixed a grilled cheese for my son when he couldn't eat much at all, he requested it made with lots of butter spread on both sides of the bread and lots of melted butter in the pan so that when it came out, it was really juicy and he managed to get it down that way.
Anne-Marie CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | I am 17 months post Tx and I am just now enjoying eating again. I mean I can now eat and taste anything and I have started to gain some much needed weight back.
I felt like you many times and it has taken me 17 months to get to where I am soooo don't give up and just prepare yourself for a longer recovery period than you had hoped for.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7 Member | Member Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7 | It's been a 1.5 years and I'm still trying to sort it all out. How do go into a restuarant with people when your not sure if there is anything on the menu you can eat? I've found that if I put on enough of any of the following I can eat almost anything, whether it tastes good is another question.
Gravy Mango & Peach Salsa Whipped Cream (not Cool Whip!) Strawberry Jam
| | | | Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 207 Platinum Member (200+ posts) | Platinum Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 207 | It all comes slowly. I loved sweets at first. Also oatmeal was my main source of nutrition and lack of irritation. Couldn't take carbonation for a year. Slowly you will be able to eat all if your saliva comes back.
SCC, base of tongue, 2 lymph nodes, stage 3/4. 35 X's IMRT radiation, chemo: Cisplatin x 2, 5FU x2, & Taxol x2. Hooray, after 3 years I'm in still in remission.
| | | | Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 24 Member | Member Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 24 | My PEG tube came out in October, 2007 after convincing my doctor that I hadn't used it for a month and my weight had not dropped. At first if something wasn't slathered in sauce or gravy it couldn't be eaten. Bread and potatoes just plugged my mouth and were avoided. Now I can eat pretty much anything, though I still take it easy on bread. I have found that small bites and lots of water helps. The problem is that it takes forever to eat. The smaller bites and plenty of chewing starts to convinence my brain that I full long before I have eaten enough. Sometimes my jaw starts to ache from the excessive chewing, but I try to ignore it. The excess water also fills me up faster. All in all, though, it great to be eating real food and trying new things to see which I can and can't eat.
SCC lf tonsil. Tx started 03/07/07,39 rads,8 docetaxel & 4 bevacizumab. Re-occured 02/19/08 back of throat. Tx35 rads 8 chemo. Tx started 05/05/08. PEG re-inserted April,2007.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 148 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 148 | I have found that because I no longer can eat grilled cheese or even a sandwhich , No chocolate and the (goodstuff) I used to eat that I am really eating healthier. Yeah I miss that cheeseburger aND french fries but I still enjoy mac and cheese, only a little soupier then normal. Have gone from chicken breast to chicken thighs becasue the thighs are moister. I have thrown away moe food in the past few months then I ever have. I am going to golden corral for dinner tommorrow night guess what they have so many different foods that I can try every thing and not feel bad if I can't eat one thing and still get my moneys worth. Don't get discouraged, Just keep trying things. Oh yeah do keep your water real close. Good Luck, Brenda
49 years young 9/2007 Squamous Cell Carcinoma 33 rad treatments. One year later, 9/17/2008 50 years old through the Grace of God. last check up all clear. Living life as it comes to me.
| | | | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 | As gdavies mentioned above, whipped cream on stuff makes it more readily edible. I have not had any whipped cream during my treatment. However, for some reason we had a can on the house now and I put some in my coffee. Turns out the whipped cream is very soothing, especially when the mouth is irritated after eating crumbly things. I have been using small amounts for the past week to oil/neutralize my mouth. (It is probably not a good idea to consume the stuff by the can full. On the other hand most of us could use the extra calories). In the last couple of days my taste has improved in what seems to be a jump, but this is probably not related. Finally, french fries and even a steak begin to taste as they should!! (albeit not for very long) and the texture of the french fries is still a bit of an issue.
I guess the take home message is: experiment! And!!! also periodically try things again.
As far as restaurants are concerned: Some planning helps. It helps to spread things out a bit. If you have a soup and a dessert (creme brule, tiramusu, pudding etc) then the main course is less important and you get away with eating less. Even then pasta, (ravioli) works well as does mashed potatoes meatloaf, salmon etc. .... and once in a while things just do not work out. We were invited to an indian restaurant along with several other people by the gastroenterologist who inserted my peg. So far so good, the problem was that he did all the ordering........ while I used to like moderately spicy food there is no way that I could tolerate now. So I had some bread and rice and pushed some food around on my plate...... This would not have been an issue at all if in this particular case it would not have been improper to order for yourself.
M
Partial glossectomy (25%) anterior tongue. 4/6/07/. IMRT start @5/24/07 (3x) Erbitux start/end@ 5/24/07. IMRT wider field (30x) start 6/5/07. Weekly cisplatin (2x30mg/m2), then weekly carbo- (5x180mg/m2). End of Tx 19 July 07.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 148 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 148 | Try try try everything. The dogs will love you and the cats will too. I have thrown away more food in the past few months then I ever have. I don't even try cheese anylonger and forget white bread. I don't go to burger king or Mcdonalds anylonger BUT KFC here I come. I get two chicken thighs (used to have white meat but now is too dry) green beans and macaroni and cheese with gravy over it. I soak my chicken in the gravy as well. I try to eat the bisquit but thiers are not as good as mine so I don't fight that. Yes smaller bites are a real good thing. ANd my mom suggested that I drink my ensure or boost with my meals instead of water so I can get the viatimns as welll because as we all know we don't get enough real food when we have to drink so much water. Don't give up just keep picking it really does get better. Good luck, Brenda
49 years young 9/2007 Squamous Cell Carcinoma 33 rad treatments. One year later, 9/17/2008 50 years old through the Grace of God. last check up all clear. Living life as it comes to me.
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