#67636 01-15-2008 03:46 PM | Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 148 Senior Member (100+ posts) | OP Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 148 | I finished radiation the day after Thanksgiving. 5 days aweek for 7 weeks for squamous cell carcinoa. I can taste things ok. Used to love chocolate can't stand it now, how ever I still have no spit no saliva what so ever when can I get that back? Will it come back?
49 years young 9/2007 Squamous Cell Carcinoma 33 rad treatments. One year later, 9/17/2008 50 years old through the Grace of God. last check up all clear. Living life as it comes to me.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 493 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 493 | It's different for everyone that goes throught the radiation treatment and it takes time. Some of it came back for me but it's still greatly diminished. I used the Biotene products a lot especiall the mouth wash. I no longer appreciate chocoalte the way I used to either. And like you very happy to be here!
Tim Stoj 60 yr old. Dx Jun 06 with BOT Stage IV. Neck dissesction on 19 Jun 06. Started Tx on 21 Aug 06/completed 33 IMRTs and 3 CT (2 Cisplat & 1 Carboplat) on 5 Oct 06.
| | | | Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 83 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 83 | Lepreckaun, You and I finished about the same time and I'm in the same boat. Some of my taste has come back but my tongue feels like somebody hit it with a torch if I get ANY spice on it. And for a cook and BBQ judge, that sucks big time. Everybody says...give it some time and most of it will come back....so I sit and wait and ejoy my PEG tube and broths. Glad you're here Too.
Stage 4b BOT and node on right of throat. did 38 trips of TOMO PEG tube,Cysplatin,Taxotere & 5fu 1st 4th and 7th week, changed to Erbitux for the last 4 weeks. 1st PETS since end of TX..CLEAR 6mos out and 2 nodes are hot. Bilateral neck dissection on 10/31/08. Clear Scan 3/31/09 & 8/02/2010
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It's odd that your taste is okay but saliva is an issue. That just shows you how different the reaction is for everyone. There just seems to be no blanket effect or answers to these type of issues as we all just react differently. There are a couple of different Rx type drugs that seem to help with saliva issues with some folks although did not help me. I tried the one called Evoxac with no results. My ENT told me that they work better the earlier you try them as opposed to waiting over a year out of Tx as I did.
Bill D.
Dx 4/27/06, SCC, BOT, Stage III/IV, Tx 5/25/06 through 7/12/06 - 33 IMRT and 4 chemo, radical right side neck dissection 9/20/06.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Lep,
Your only 1 1/2 months out and that time is nothing in your recovery phase. Even though nearly all of us undergo rad, we are all different to begin with; we don't get the rad exactly in the same spot or intensity due to many reasons and therefore the damage we suffer is different from patient to patient. That means we all can recovery to varying degrees. But one thing we all have in common is our recovery takes many many months and it's a teeny, tiny step at a time.It's not like one day you wake up and you say, OH MY GOSH I CAN TASTE BETTER...no it's more of you thinking for a few days or a week that something may have improved and of course looking back months before you really can notice improvements.
I remember posting my improvements for the first time when I was 4 months post. I'm now 16+ months post and I am still seeing improvements. You will get sick of hearing this but JUST BE PATIENT, IT WILL GET BETTER.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 | I am 7 months post TX and my saliva is still dry. I have started to notice a tiny bit of improvement on the side that was not treated, but it isn't much. This dry phase seems to take the longest and I am tired of waiting, but there isn't much that I can do BUT wait. Hopefully, like everyone keeps telling us, it WILL get better.
Nine years out. New normal with limitations, but surviving and living life to the fullest.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | It sure is hard being patient waiting to get back to normal. I completely understand how you feel, it sure is a long road. Just watching TV and seeing commercials about everything I cant eat makes me sad. Im about 4 months post treatment and still barely eat. I can handle yogurt, pudding, some very soft veggies but no meat or anything dry like bread or snacks. My taste is at about 80% which seems to be good, but I have no saliva. I did try a medicine (Pilocarpine) to promote saliva. It didnt work, made me sweat and sick to my stomach. I know there are other ones out there, check with one of your doctors.
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 | I am on Exovac which seems to work somewhat, although you have to be careful when (and how many) you take the pills... otherwise you end up in a pool of sweat. In my case as well one of parotids was only minimally radiated, nevertheless it also folded up for a while. It may take a while for it to come out of hibernation.
M .... just to think that I USED to like salt and vinegar chips!!!
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Partial glossectomy (25%) anterior tongue. 4/6/07/. IMRT start @5/24/07 (3x) Erbitux start/end@ 5/24/07. IMRT wider field (30x) start 6/5/07. Weekly cisplatin (2x30mg/m2), then weekly carbo- (5x180mg/m2). End of Tx 19 July 07.
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Believe me I know what you all are going thru and I wish I could snap my fingers and time warp you all ahead a year but all I can say is I am just now REALLY starting to enjoy eating again and it has taken all this recovery time for me to be able to say that. There is nothing I can't eat now and I push myself to see how many bites I can swallow without reaching for the liquid. That, to me, increases my eating pleasure because I haven't been able to do this since that horrible life saving Tx began. I still have a little dry mouth but nothing like what I had at your stage. My taste is almost back to pre Tx and it seems to improve as the dry mouth does. Hopefully you'll will take less time than me.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 583 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 583 | Hi Lep,
Hang in there. It will be a while before you get any saliva back. I think I was around 9 mo. or so when I noticed some. I have about the same right now. (2yr.s out) We are all different and I hope you end up with more than me.
I am not sure how many saliva glands I have working? There are times I can feel and taste the ones under my tongue!! Which that is good. I also have started to massage the glands and that seems to help. Pulling my tongue back also seems to produce some extra saliva. (I think that would be considered Milking the tongue or saliva glad) I am guessing here, but it seems to help.
Make sure you use all of the Biotene products. They really help with the DRY mouth. They help me a lot. Also keep eye out for yeast infection,(Thrush) which can happen with dry mouth. Very painful.
Ok, bye for now..hope some of this was helpful Take care, Diane
2004 SCC R.tip 1/4 tongue Oct. 2005 R. Neck SCC cancer/Chemo Cisplatin 2x/8wks. Rad. Removed Jugular vein, Lymph gland & some neck muscle. TX finished 1/20/06... B.Cancer 3/29/07 Finished 6/07 Bi-op 7/15/09 SCC in-situ, laser surgery removed from 1st. sight. Right jaw replacement 11/3/14. 9 yrs cancer free as of Jan. 2015
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