#61688 10-03-2007 07:37 AM | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4 Member | Member Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4 | Funny - Girlcat is worried about being overtreated and I am worrying about the opposite! Just goes to show that there is more than one way to treat the beast.
37yo female T1N1M0 stage 3 tonsil cancer; 2 neck nodes removed 4/07 (1 clear, 1 malignant)T&A 4/07. 27 IMRT tx completed 6/07, no chemo.
| | | | Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 35 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 35 | Hi,
I just noticed this a few weeks ago, approximately two and a half months post treatment.
It happens when I lower my head to my chest, and feels like nerves are "stretching" down my spine, all the way to my butt and sometimes all the way down to my heels. It's really weird.
This is a good example of what a blessing this forum is, especially with the "search" feature...I can do a search and see that I'm not alone and that others have experienced the same thing.
Thanks to all of those before me, blazing the trail and sharing their stories!
Oscar | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | I developed Lhermitte's Syndrome shortly after treatment started and I really noticed it walking down stairs and looking down. I was told it was temporary but 4 1/2 years later, it is still there. I have learned to avoid looking down when walking down stairs because it sometimes feels like I am disoriented from the sensation. I read someplace it could be a side effect of platinum based chemo agents but I also learned it is a side effect of radiation. My hematology oncologist says it is from the radiation and my radiation oncologist says it is from the cisplatin. The tie breaker went to the neurologist who has studied post radiation syndromes and he says radiation. I almost forget about it sometimes but I just have to look down when I go down stairs to see if it is still there. I hold on to the hand rail and chuckle because it always is.
I just learned when it can be unnerving like walking down stairs and just live with it.
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 598 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 598 | I had it very strongly for the first 4 or 5 months post treatment. It has subsided now to the point where most days I do not notice it. Partially, it is masked by the nerves reconnecting from my neck dissections and the "interesting" sensations caused by that and the neck fibrosis. ;-)
I love to play golf, so every now and then when I look down at the ball or bend to put the tee in the ground, the zapping will start, which is a bit disconcerting. Like anything else, it becomes part of the "new normal" and we learn to adjust. Jeff SCC Right BOT Dx 3/28/2007 T2N2a M0G1,Stage IVa Bilateral Neck Dissection 4/11/2007 39 x IMRT, 8 x Cisplatin Ended 7/11/07 Complete response to treatment so far!!
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | I can't believe that!!! I have never read anything posted here before about that Lh Syndrome thing and I plan to read up on it but I had it big time and now only occasionally. I just never made any connection to my Tx and none of my doctors ever mentioned it so I thought it was the beginning of Alzheimer's or something. LOL
If others have experienced this and you're further along than me, does it completely resolve itself or, like evrything else, does it just depend on evrything?
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Wait a minute, I guess I don't have that Lh thing. I just looked it up on the internet and I don't have any pain when I look down or numbness in my hands. I guess I just read what I wanted to see. My problem was that I would be walking down a flight of stairs without looking, you know from memory and all of a sudden it's as if my memory went out and I would have to look down to see the next step or I would feel like I would fall. Really bad right after Tx ended but it only occasionally happens now. Maybe it is Alzheimer's.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 98 Senior Member (75+ posts) | Senior Member (75+ posts) Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 98 | I thought it was from when I had my peg tube and would sleep on my side, causing a misalignment of my spin. I have the same symptoms as Oscar. On my back just below the base of my neck I have a numbing feeling and also at my lower back. I can really feel it when I look down. It never occurred to me that it could be related to the radiation.
Tom SCC T4N1M0 left side tongue & 1 node Dx 05/21/07 42 yrs old 40 Tx IMRT @ 70 Gy started 06/25/07 Cysplatin & 5fu 1st & 4th wks treatment ended 08/23/07
| | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Mine is more like an electric shock that travels from the neck down the spine. It feels like you are literally stretching your spinal cord with a strange sensation and sometimes tingling in the hands and feet at the same time.
Too bad I can't find "Sabrina's butt dance". She posted on here years ago and she met someone from the board for lunch and as they were sharing treatment and "issues" stories, she was sort of showing how to bring on the sensation and to read her account I could imagine this fiesty Hispanic/Latino girl doing the chicken dance through a restaurant and two women bursting out in laughter as they compared notes and sensations.
I guess you had to be there or at least read it first hand.
Ed
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 | I was there. Too bad we lost that post. That was one of the funniest threads on the board. She had the whole world doing this 'butt dance' with her. Wonder how she is doing. Do you ever hear from her Sheldon?
Take care, Eileen
---------------------- Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 214 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 214 | I am 10 months out of TX, and while the L'hermitte's has lessened somewhat, I have found that a rise in body tempurature, such as with running or taking a hot shower, can bring on symptoms.
Left tonsil SCC, HPV+. T2N0M0. Tonsillectomy 3-07, bilateral radiation, cisplatin 3x, Tx completed 6-06. Clear PET 4-01-2008. Thyroidectomy 5-9-08, resulting in permanent surgically-induced hypoparathyroidism and adrenal problems. Bummer. | | |
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