#43515 06-27-2004 07:57 AM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 261 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 261 | This dry mouth thing is awful! I have to get up 2-3 times at night to unglue with water & during the day it isn't as bad but still bothers me. Bitch, bitch, bitch! My buddy says he's glad I'm still around to bitch about it! There's that perspective thing, half full or half empty. I'm a month out from radiation & wonder others experience with saliva coming back. It's a beautiful day here in western Washington & I'm going in the pool today with the kids, "YAY!" peg removed 6/21. Life has to go on , doesn't it?
dx 2/11/04 scca bot T3 IU 2B MO poorly differentiated, margins ok, 3/16 modest, jaw split, over half of tongue removed, free flap from left forearm - finished chemo & rad treatment 5/20/04
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#43516 06-27-2004 11:55 AM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 372 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 372 | Hey Erik, Hang in there sweetie...life does get better. For my hubby, Dan, it didn't get better right away. He is now 3.5 months post radiation and things are much better this last month. He does have dry mouth and taste buds are almost nothing except for the first bite or two (which might just be from the smell), but he does eat many more things now than a month ago. He has only had his PEG out for about 3 weeks, so you are doing really well!
Take care and God bless, Debbie
Debbie - Caregiver for husband, Dan, diagnosed with tongue cancer 7/03. Partial gloss., mod. neck dissections, graft. Recurrence neck tumor 12/03. Radical left neck dissection 12/24/03-unable to get all the tumor. 8 weeks chemo/rad beginning 1/12/04.
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#43517 06-27-2004 03:27 PM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 | Erik,
I also have worse dry mouth problems at night. It can be hard to get used to when you've spent your life taking salivary function for granted. I guess reactions can vary from one person to another, but back when I had radiation it seemed there wasn't much they could do to preserve the salivary glands.
Still, between Salagen, Biotene, water, and sugarless gum I've gotten to the point where it seems pretty manageable (and in a lot of ways the glass has become more than half full).
Hope it gets better for you soon.
Cathy
Tongue SCC (T2M0N0), poorly differentiated, diagnosed 3/89, partial glossectomy and neck dissection 4/89, radiation from early June to late August 1989
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#43518 06-27-2004 03:45 PM | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 106 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 106 | Erik, Yes, it is unpleasant. I sleep sitting up, three pillows behind my back, because of the phlegm, and wake up every 2-3 hours with my tongue glued up to the roof of my mouth. At 2 weeks post radiation the phlegm is a bigger problem for me - make sit impossible to be around polite society when you have to spit and gag constantly. I hope to hear that it will get better - but all i have heard from doctors is that it varies, depends on the person etc., the same answer they give to most of my questions. I hope it gets better for youvery soon, and I will follow two weeks behind you! Leena
scc right tonsil T1N1M0, right tonsillectomy + modified neck dissection 3/04, radiation IMRT both sides X33 ended 6/04. Also had renal cell carcinoma, left kidney removed 11/04
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#43519 06-27-2004 04:36 PM | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 164 Gold Member (100+ posts) | Gold Member (100+ posts) Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 164 | Erik,
I maintained most of my salivary function after radidation. (until recently) I had IMRT at MD Anderson. I think that it does depend on surgery reports and the location of the irradiated fields. I found that the Biotene products are all very good. The oral content takes a bit of getting used to at first but helps the tongue or flap geting stuck to the to areas of the oral cavity. Another thing I did for a few weeks was take Stopper 4 and keep it by the bedside table When I would wake up to suction I would spray my mouth with that. Minty fresh!!! I likened my mouth right after radiation when you have all that brown stuff pooling up in the back of your throat, to feeling like a camel had flown by and taken a dump in my mouth. Things seems be rocking along and all the sudden I have dry mouth. What gives here. Just when you get used to your new normal, you have to get used to a new new normal.
Lynn
Stage 3, N0, M0 oral tongue cancer survivor, 85-90% of tongue removed, neck disection, left tonsil removed, chemo/radiation treatments, surgery 11/03, raditation ended 1/04, lung mets discovered 4/04,
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#43520 06-28-2004 03:13 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Erik
I was taking Salagen and tried Evoxac and recently stopped taking everything. I don't notice any difference...the mouth is dry. It gets really bad with the post nasal drip from allergies. I try Robitussin from time to time and the thickness gets better but the mouth is just dry. I buy bottled water by the case whenever it is on sale and drink one 16 oz bottle per hour, a sip at a time. I keep a couple of cases in the car and pack some with me wherever I go. I sip some every 5-10 minutes and nothing works better than that for me.
May the camel pass you by!
Ed
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
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#43521 06-28-2004 12:54 PM | Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,163 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,163 | Hello Erik,
I as lucky to maintain almost all my salvia function. I do drink alot of whole milk with carnation instant breakfast mixed in.
You just can't beat a nice cool bottle of water compared to soda or juice.
Hang in there Erik I remember reading some of the older posts about your saliva returning to some degree. I hope this is true in your case.
Best Wishes, Dan
Daniel Bogan DX 7/16/03 Right tonsil,SCC T4NOMO. right side neck disection, IMRT Radiation x 33.
Recurrance in June 05 in right tonsil area. Now receiving palliative chemo (Erbitux) starting 3/9/06
Our good friend and loved member of the forum has passed away RIP Dannyboy 7-16-2006
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#43522 06-28-2004 06:06 PM | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | Hi Erik, Everything else has been covered but one. Are you a nightime "mouth" breather. That will DEFINITELY exacerbate the dry mouth problem. I still use a humidifier dialed in to about 60% and that also helps (along with the constant bottle of water). I have found also that eating salty food dramatically changes the dry mouth picture at night. This is so even though I had IMRT and have regained a fair amount of salivary function back.
I remember vividly those days of waking up with my tongue stuck to the roof of my mouth and I really hated it.
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
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#43523 06-28-2004 06:40 PM | Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,627 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,627 | I've been fortunate with the dry mouth. I didn't have IMRT but they were able to save some salivary glands. Biotene helps more then anything I have tried. Take care
SCC Left Mandible. Jaw replaced with bone from leg. Neck disection, 37 radiation treatments. Recurrence 8-28-07, stage 2, tongue. One third of tongue removed 10-4-07. 5-23-08 chemo started for tumor behind swallowing passage, Our good friend and much loved OCF member Minnie has been lost to the disease (RIP 10-29-08). We will all miss her greatly.
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#43524 06-28-2004 07:51 PM | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 541 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 541 | I didn't have IMRT and am not sure if I have any saliva back. But I am grateful that my situation is not so bad as imagined since I need not wake up during the night in search of water. I need not get a humidifier at my room. I have to take a bottle of water with me when I am out but I only drink occasionally and when I am back home, the bottle is usually half full. But I do rely on sugar free candies and chewing gum. They help me a lot especially when I need to talk.So be patient, it is a matter of adjustment and acceptance.
Karen.
Karen stage 4B (T3N3M0)tonsil cancer diagnosed in 9/2001.Concurrent chemo-radiation treatment ( XRT x 48 /Cisplatin x 4) ended in 12/01. Have been in remission ever since.
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