#3406 08-22-2004 05:45 AM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 261 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 261 | Hello everyone! I'm doing very well except for this damn dry mouth all night! I'll usually sleep for 2 to 3 hours before I need to swish water to unstick. Then it's almost every hour until I get up in the morning! Makes for a rough nights sleep! Bitch, bitch, bitch!!! Seems like only yesterday I really had something to bitch about; choking on mucous, malnutrition, etc., etc. Blah, blah, blah! I'm alive! I guess I'll go do a brake job on a fixer upper project van I bought for $300! Maybe I'll go kiss my wife & kids before I go!! I guess life's ok!
dx 2/11/04 scca bot T3 IU 2B MO poorly differentiated, margins ok, 3/16 modest, jaw split, over half of tongue removed, free flap from left forearm - finished chemo & rad treatment 5/20/04
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#3407 08-22-2004 08:35 AM | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 417 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 417 | Erik You and I finished treatment about the same time and I, like you, have had mucositus (brown Goo) problems. I too have real problems with dry mouth at night . I am up several times a night seeking relief. I get solidified brown goo on my tounge and roof of mouth. I have to use HOT water to liquify this goo and get relief. I too feel quilty complaining, but we can vent emotions here on this web site and not fear negative judgement. I know a lot of people in a worse condition than I, and when I see or hear about these individuals I really feel guilty. Darrell
Stage 3, T3,N1,M0,SCC, Base of Tongue. No Surgery, Radiationx39, Chemo, Taxol & Carboplatin Weekly 8 Treatments 2004. Age 60. Recurrence 2/06, SCC, Chest & Neck (Sub clavean), Remission 8/06. Recurrence SCC 12/10/06 Chest.
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#3408 08-22-2004 09:10 AM | Joined: May 2004 Posts: 218 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: May 2004 Posts: 218 | Hey guys, Got the same thing about the same time. Baking soda and warm water gargle relieves it and cleans the heavy mucosa out for a while. Worked great for me. You guys are at the point of really wanting to feel good but your still having good and bad days. Man that sucked. That was the worse part of the treatment for me. I really understood how I was going to feel going through, but once it was over I was only told by the docs that I will feel better in 6 months. It took 4 before I stopped the heavy phlem, mucosa, and nausea problems. Now I only get a dry mouth during the day when I am working. I talk too much I guess. At night I am fine as long as I keep my mouth shut. Take care. Robert
SCC 1.6cm Right Tonsil 10/3/03, 1 Node 3cm, T1N2AM0, Tonsil Removed, Selective Neck Disection, 4 Wks Induction Chemo (Taxol,Cisplatin), 8 Weeks Chemo/Radiation (5FU,Hydroxyurea,Iressa), IMRT x 40, Treatment Complete 2/13/04. 41 Years Old At Diagnosis
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#3409 08-22-2004 12:05 PM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 156 Gold Member (100+ posts) | Gold Member (100+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 156 | You're always allowed to complain here!! You're surronded by people that know exactly how you're feeling, and we all know that sometimes complaining is EXACTLY the therapy we need. And we always feel guilty when it's ourselves, but I've NEVER read an "unhappy" post and said "my God, why is this person complaining?!?" So go to it!!
(oh - and some suggestions I've heard include a humidifier next to the bed, coating your mouth with oral moisturizer, rinsing before bed with Biotene mouthwash, and brushing your teeth with the Biotene toothpaste.)
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#3410 08-22-2004 12:27 PM | Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,163 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,163 | Erik you have every right in the world to complain about your situation. We all do!!!! I didn't have the problem you have with dry mouth but i can imagine it's a real bitch. Don't ever worry about complaining about the side effects. You have earned that right. Hopefully Sabrina's advice or someone can offer you some relief.
Best Wishes, Danny Boy
Daniel Bogan DX 7/16/03 Right tonsil,SCC T4NOMO. right side neck disection, IMRT Radiation x 33.
Recurrance in June 05 in right tonsil area. Now receiving palliative chemo (Erbitux) starting 3/9/06
Our good friend and loved member of the forum has passed away RIP Dannyboy 7-16-2006
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#3411 08-22-2004 01:26 PM | Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 642 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 642 | Erik, That's the deal...just about the time that the mucous stops waking you up, the dry mouth starts doing the job. I wake up every night, ususally a couple of times, rinse with water, and use a little Biotene oral jel. Of course if the dry mouth doesn't wake me up, the need to urinate does, since I have to drink so much water to alleviate the dry mouth! It's a vicious cycle, a nuisance, but one that I would not trade for the alternative. I tried one of the new prescription drugs but it didn't do a thing. Oh well, life after oral cancer treatment...
Take care, Danny G.
Stage IV Base of Tongue SCC Diagnosed July 1, 2002, chemo and radiation treatments completed beginning of Sept/02.
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#3412 08-22-2004 01:35 PM | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 106 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 106 | Erik,
I know, I have the same problem, and I too alternate between feeling like this is absolutely horrible and feeling guilty about not being glad that I am better than i was.
But, hey, you can kiss your wife? There was a period when I thought I would never be able to kiss again. OK, it still isn't what it used to be, but I had a visit from my grandson today, and I could kiss him again (he is four, so I kiss and hug him all I can, you never know how soon he'll be too macho for that).
The Biotene products work well for me, but I do have to get up in the night and rinse my mouth and reapply the gel, then I can sleep another 3 hours. Sometimes I get to sleep 6 hours at a strech, it's great, but then my mouth is really disgusting - well, you know.
The mucous problem almost went away for awhile and now it's back again, although much less than two months ago when I went through a box of Puffs a day, and nobody would have wanted to kiss me then.
Yeah, life's OK, but I remember what it was like when it was GREAT - and did we appreciate it then?? Maybe sometimes.
All the best, Leena
scc right tonsil T1N1M0, right tonsillectomy + modified neck dissection 3/04, radiation IMRT both sides X33 ended 6/04. Also had renal cell carcinoma, left kidney removed 11/04
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#3413 08-22-2004 02:11 PM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 261 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 261 | Wow! Thanks for all the posts! The mucous has been gone for quite a while & I really feel strong & healthy overall. My doctors still want to know what my secret is so they can pass it on to other patients. I don't know what to say to them.
dx 2/11/04 scca bot T3 IU 2B MO poorly differentiated, margins ok, 3/16 modest, jaw split, over half of tongue removed, free flap from left forearm - finished chemo & rad treatment 5/20/04
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#3414 08-22-2004 03:22 PM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 | Erik,
Long after the mucous stuff stopped, I still had the worst dry mouth problems at night if I was sleeping flat on my back and/or my head wasn't somewhat propped up. I've gotten so I always use two fairly substantial pillows for that reason.
Cathy
Tongue SCC (T2M0N0), poorly differentiated, diagnosed 3/89, partial glossectomy and neck dissection 4/89, radiation from early June to late August 1989
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#3415 08-29-2004 03:37 PM | Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 235 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 235 | Erik, My mom has tried many things to combat dry mouth, and nothing with the exception of accupuncture has helped. I was skeptical at first, but its been helping! She's been getting accupuncture once a week for the last five weeks and its honestly helped. You might want to give it a try. Best wishes, D
Mom's caregvr. DDS failed to dx 01/03. Dx Stg IV SCC 05/03. Induct. chemo, IMRT, 5FU, H, Iressa, Neck disect, radiation. Dad's caregvr. Dx 01/04 Ext. Stg SCLC. Mets to liver/bone 08/04. Died 11/12/04. Mom tongue CA dx 06/13, hemiglossectomy (80% removed) 08/13. Clean margins and nodes, but PNI. 6/15/15: Tongue CA at base of remnant tongue. Declined further tx; hospice. Died 10/13/15. What a long and difficult journey.
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