#24117 08-24-2007 07:50 AM | Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 36 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 36 | Eileen and Margaret, I will ask about the teeth tonight, I may have missed something about the condition of them. Thank you for your responses.
Caregiver to father,Frank -Tonsil SCC spread to base of tongue 2 lymph, T2N2M0 stage 4a, IMRT 35x, Erbitux 8x-stopped after 5 due to thrush infection and strp infection in PEG,diag Aug 07 tx concluded Nov 8 07 PEG issues Inpatient Oct 8th-Nov 8th.
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#24118 08-24-2007 11:12 AM | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 510 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 510 | my two cents: The RO sent Buzz to dentist this week, just to check his teeth before beginning radiation/chemo...she thought that there was ONE that might need attention...Buzz' dentist said "no reason to take it out..it looks fine"..Buzz is almost 77 and still has all of his teeth except for a couple he lost in one of his wars...Korean, maybe? and wears a partial. I have done HOURS of research re: teeth extraction before radiation, and MY PERSONAL conclusion is that pulling the teeth before radiation just isn't a requirement anymore...Feel free to disagree with me...
CG to 77 y/o hubby;SCC Alveolar Ridge; Wake Forest Baptist Hosp surgery: 07/19/07; bi mod radical resection/jaw replacement; T2 N2-B M0 Stage IV-A 28 IMRT + 6 Paclitaxel/Carboplatin Getting stronger every day!
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#24119 08-24-2007 11:12 AM | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 510 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 510 | my two cents: The RO sent Buzz to dentist this week, just to check his teeth before beginning radiation/chemo...she thought that there was ONE that might need attention...Buzz' dentist said "no reason to take it out..it looks fine"..Buzz is almost 77 and still has all of his teeth except for a couple he lost in one of his wars...Korean, maybe? and wears a partial. I have done HOURS of research re: teeth extraction before radiation, and MY PERSONAL conclusion is that pulling the teeth before radiation just isn't a requirement anymore...Feel free to disagree with me...
CG to 77 y/o hubby;SCC Alveolar Ridge; Wake Forest Baptist Hosp surgery: 07/19/07; bi mod radical resection/jaw replacement; T2 N2-B M0 Stage IV-A 28 IMRT + 6 Paclitaxel/Carboplatin Getting stronger every day!
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#24120 08-24-2007 12:20 PM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 | Hi Mariam,
Sorry to hear what you, your dad and your family are going through. You've gotten some very good advice above regarding the removal of 11 of your dad's teeth. I would like to back up these suggestions as a dentist.
The fact that your dad has all his teeth at 71 is great and if he doesn't have periodontal (gum) disease, then there is no reason that he should have any teeth out, except for maybe the wisdom teeth. With all that he will have to deal with, there is no need to add the additional problem of replacing teeth later.
It's good that you will be questioning this decision and I hope that the treatment plan is changed if there is nothing wrong with his teeth.
Jerry
Jerry
Retired Dentist, 59 years old at diagnosis. SCC of the left lateral border of the tongue (Stage I). Partial glossectomy and 30 nodes removed, 4/6/05. Nodes all clear. No chemo no radiation 18 year survivor.
"Whatever doesn't kill me, makes me stronger"
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#24121 08-24-2007 02:42 PM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 36 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 36 | My husband had one tooth pulled before radiation treatment. He was in his seventies and had all of his teeth. Months after radiation his teeth started to break apart and he needed to have all his teeth pulled but before they could do that he had to have 30 hyperbaric treatments, These treatments were necessary so that he wouldn't get a bone infection. He had floride trays made to help prevent the teeth from damage but he was just too sick and weak during his treatments to worry about his teeth. Eileen | | |
#24122 08-25-2007 04:27 AM | Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 36 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 36 | Thank you for your responses, the original question I have is about choosing carboplatin rather than cisplatin to save Dad's hearing. They just got quiet about the dentistry stuff (overload?). I have a feeling this is how it will be: Tommorrow- I want a strategy meeting, they want a barbecue and have invited guests..(to my house!) I will make time with them to read all of your responses. Thanks, Mariam
Caregiver to father,Frank -Tonsil SCC spread to base of tongue 2 lymph, T2N2M0 stage 4a, IMRT 35x, Erbitux 8x-stopped after 5 due to thrush infection and strp infection in PEG,diag Aug 07 tx concluded Nov 8 07 PEG issues Inpatient Oct 8th-Nov 8th.
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#24123 08-25-2007 06:04 AM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 | Dear Mariam, if you haven't had time to read the discussion that Margaret suggested in her post above, try to do that. There is good information there to talk to the Docs about [carbo vs. cisplatin] Amy in the ozarks]
CGtoJohn:SCC Flr of Mouth.Dx 3\05. Surg.4\05.T3NOMO.IMRTx30. Recur Dx 1\06.Surg 2\06. Chemo: 4 Cycles of Carbo\Taxol:on Erbitux for 7 mo. Lost our battle 2-23-07- But not the will to fight this disease
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#24124 08-25-2007 12:41 PM | Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 580 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 580 | Mariam, I don't want the oveload to become too unmanageable but I need to add my 2 cents worth. 1) I agree with Jerry, the cancer, radiation and chemo are not a good reason to remove teeth that otherwise would not need to be removed. 2) what instrument does he play? 3) I do assess ments pre treatment for the local oncologists in my area and try in all patients to say any serviceable teeth. If you read about the eating difficulties many of the OCF members are having teeth become the golden fleece. 4) Many time extracting teeth delay proposed chemo and radiation therapy due to the fact that they take longer to heal when the immune system is already challenged. The risk of infection and other problems increases drastically if extraction sockets are not completely healed prior to commencing chemo and radiation. 5) At 71 even if your father was not about to go throught the treatment he would find the task of learning to eat with prosthtic teeth a challenge and with the treatment even more difficult. One of the issues later on is nutrition and we need to be able to chew food to start the digestive process.
Just a few thoughts. E-mail me any time.
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your father.
Mike
Dentist since 1995, 12 year Cancer Survivor, Father, Husband, Thankful to so many who supported me on my journey so far, and more than happy to comfort a friend. Live, Laugh, Love & Learn.
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#24125 08-26-2007 02:57 PM | Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 36 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 36 | Sorry but they don't want to deal with the teeth info. They come out tommorrow. Dr. Mike,He plays violin and clarinet. I hope this isn't a bad way to start on this online community but my parents aren't kids or senile so I can't do very much other than present info and support them. We go tommorrow and then he heals prior to treatment. PEG tube on the 5th of Sept. They intend to have further discussion about cisplatin with doc. (yes I read the discussion which is what lead me to ask more..Really feel like I can't get my fill of info since this shock of the last few weeks) Thank you all very much. I'll move to the appropriate message board now.
Caregiver to father,Frank -Tonsil SCC spread to base of tongue 2 lymph, T2N2M0 stage 4a, IMRT 35x, Erbitux 8x-stopped after 5 due to thrush infection and strp infection in PEG,diag Aug 07 tx concluded Nov 8 07 PEG issues Inpatient Oct 8th-Nov 8th.
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#24126 08-26-2007 03:07 PM | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 510 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 510 | Miriam...GOOD LUCK to you and your parents..Stay with us and keep us posted as to your father's progress...You'll be in our prayers!
Lois & Buzz in NC
CG to 77 y/o hubby;SCC Alveolar Ridge; Wake Forest Baptist Hosp surgery: 07/19/07; bi mod radical resection/jaw replacement; T2 N2-B M0 Stage IV-A 28 IMRT + 6 Paclitaxel/Carboplatin Getting stronger every day!
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