#21698 12-17-2006 02:39 PM | Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 14 Member | OP Member Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 14 | I appreciate knowing what everyone else has done, but of course we are all different. I have decided to go ahead with the surgery and if radiation is necessary, I'll cross that bridge then. I think I could go to 5 different dr's and get 5 different opinions on which way they would go. Sometimes you have to follow your gut instinct. I don't know that you ever feel totally right in decisions like this, but I don't feel I can sit and wait too long. | | |
#21699 12-17-2006 04:54 PM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 | Actually, you really shouldn't get five different opinions about which way to go--there are protocols for treating this cancer. They are linked somewhere here, I'll try to find where.
Like you, I had tongue cancer and had surgery and neck dissection. I had about 1/3 of my tongue removed. My nodes were all negative, but the tumor itself had some risk factors for recurrence so the opinion I got from docs at a leading CCC was that I needed radiation and should probably have chemo as well (although that was aggressive treatment for stage II cancer, I don't regret having it).
The surgery wasn't nearly as bad as I feared. I was back to speaking normally and eating pretty normally within a month. After you have your surgery, if you are not being treated at a CCC, you may want to get a second opinion from one about whether you need radiation as a follow-up.
Nelie
SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
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#21700 12-17-2006 04:56 PM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 |
SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
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#21701 12-17-2006 05:01 PM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 75 Senior Member (75+ posts) | Senior Member (75+ posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 75 | Bigtwin You will be OK, its a rollercoaster of emotions, There are many of us that have been there. Second opions are sought after, to see if all are on the same page, have faith in your Doctors. I will be thinking of you.
Tongue Cancer, stage 4, spread to neck/ Radical neck, 3 chemos, 33 radiation. 5-18-2005
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#21702 12-18-2006 04:31 AM | Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,627 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,627 | One of the BIGGEST myths I read about on this board is that we have to have our teeth removed to have radiation. That is simply NOT true and so many people are left without teeth because of this. There are TONS of survivors on here that didn't have any teeth affected. Please, please be sure to have all the information before having teeth removed. Once taken out, they can never be replaced. Take care, Minnie
SCC Left Mandible. Jaw replaced with bone from leg. Neck disection, 37 radiation treatments. Recurrence 8-28-07, stage 2, tongue. One third of tongue removed 10-4-07. 5-23-08 chemo started for tumor behind swallowing passage, Our good friend and much loved OCF member Minnie has been lost to the disease (RIP 10-29-08). We will all miss her greatly.
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#21703 12-18-2006 07:02 AM | Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 | I second what Minnie is saying. Do NOT have any healthy teeth pulled without a second opinion. They USED to do this as a routine precaution, but it is no longer done. I, like an idiot, let them pull 16 healthy teeth and have been sorry ever since. Took over two years and $15000 1997 dollars to get partial dentures and is not covered by insurance, medical or dental.
Take care, Eileen
---------------------- Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
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#21704 12-18-2006 09:35 AM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | I recently went through Chemorad Tx and all my dentist did pre TX was redo some fillings, take X rays to make sure everything was OK and make molds for the daily flouride Tx which I started pre Tx and still do. I missed a few days during Tx. I have seen the dentist once post Tx and I see him tomorrow. He told me last time to make sure I keep plenty of water in my mouth until my saliva (?) returns.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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#21705 12-18-2006 11:31 AM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 | Bigtwin,
I have to agree strongly with Minnie and Eileen -- don't agree to have teeth pulled unless your doctors can explain a compelling reason why (such as the teeth have problems already and would have to come out anyway). I just came from a regular followup visit with my periodontist and he said everything still looks good -- 17 years after radiation and with all my original teeth still intact. It does require a lot of attention to oral care (regular brushing, flossing, fluoride applications, keeping your mouth moist), but it beats having a lot of unnecessary extractions.
Cathy
Tongue SCC (T2M0N0), poorly differentiated, diagnosed 3/89, partial glossectomy and neck dissection 4/89, radiation from early June to late August 1989
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#21706 12-19-2006 02:29 AM | Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 12 Member | Member Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 12 | If your teeth are in good shape, you can probably get by with having good dental work done prior to treatment and getting the dentist to prescribe prescription strength floruide toothpaste and rinse,; however good detnal care is essential for now on due to reduced saliva if you have rads. DH kept his teeth, as have several people I have known. One guy had problems with 'scatter burns' on his tongue caused by the rads bouncing off old amlagum fillings. They made him a mouthpiece that was supposed to prevent this, but it didn't work. This aparticular friend, who also had no risk factors for cancer, was told by his doc that his CA was caused by HPV. They can usually tell by the lesions if it is HPV. Also, another friend of mine had a large portion of her tongue removed had portions of a muscle from her upper arm used to reconstruct her tongue. Even though there are certain protocols to treatments, there are also varying ways to treat a lot of these cancers. My own huband had a treatment called RADPLAT that is only available in ten centers in the US. The goal of RADPLAT is organ preservation while defeating the cancer. Here is an article about it: http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/cgi/content/full/11/5/469 One of the doctors who created this treatment is in Springfiled, Illinois. If you can get over there prior to your treatment and want a second opinion about having RADPLAT instead of the standard treatment send me a private email at [email protected] and I can give you the contact info.
Marcie
CG spouse 54 yo male dx Sq cell CA larynx Stage 4 RADPLAT therapy started 6/05 Intra-arterial Cisplatin x4-RT x35. Treatment completed 7/05. FU PET scan and CT scan with hot spot. Biopsy of hot spot 9/05 clean. No recurrences as of 12/06.
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#21707 12-19-2006 03:20 AM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | I saw my dentist this am and his practice has many patients in our boat. He says that there is no medical reason to pull healthy teeth prior to rad. All of us must brush and floss frequently; use the flouride daily and swirl water constantly throughout the day until our saliva production returns (if ever). Those that typically experience root decay problems are those that don't practice good home teeth care and are prone to decay issues naturally.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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