| Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 10 Member | OP Member Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 10 | Hi, I was diagnosed with SCC in April 2016 and had a partial glossectomy with reconstructive surgery of the left front part of my tongue on 5/9/16. I had 30 rads no chemo to treat nerve invasion, and finished my last treatment on 7/30/16. The reconstructed tongue flap has been a little numb, as expected.
But about a month ago, 5 months post-surgery, I noticed the whole tip of my tongue (flap plus "normal" part) started to feel a little numb and tingly. I didn't notice any bumps or anything unusual. It's felt the same for over a month now. Has anyone else experienced this? I went to my ENT last week and he said it's nothing to worry about, could be the nerves reconnecting. I had thought he was going to order me a PET/CT scan since it's been 3 months post-rads, but he said I didn't need one yet and he'd check on my tongue in a month.
I spoke to another patient of his who had the same surgery and rads a year ago, and he said he told her to get an MRI instead of PET/CT scan at 6 months post-rads, since she'd already had enough radiation. I'm assuming he'll do the same with me.
The reason I'm worried is that a few days before my surgery, my tongue started to feel a little numb and tingly. I told my ENT right before I was about to have surgery, and he'd said that it wasn't a good sign. I'd appreciate hearing feedback from anyone who's had similar tongue numbness.
I also just noticed yesterday that there is a hard lump in the middle of my tongue, right next to the flap edge. I don't recall feeling it before, but by now, I don't remember what a "normal" tongue feels like. I'm hoping it is scar tissue...
Aloha, Joanne
SCC 4/20/16, bottom middle of L side of tongue, T2, HPV-neg Partial glossectomy 5/9/16, L lymph nodes removed (neg), nerve invasion 30 rad 6/20/16-7/29/16 Non-smoker, non-drinker
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Hi Joanne! Im sorry you are having some "issues" with your new tongue. At 4 months post rads, you are still well within the recovery phase where you experience some ups and downs with a few setbacks.
Im always one to err on the side of caution. I suggest making an appointment with your ENT to get checked out. It could be nothing serious but it must be bothering you enough to cause enough concern for you to make a post on the forum. The lump could be scar tissue. Have you been talking more than normal? Overuse could cause the inflammation. By seeing your ENT, they should be able to determine if its scar tissue or something serious that needs attention.
Please keep us posted on how this turns out. Best wishes!!!
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | Welcome Joanne! Sorry for your recent troubles, but you joined the best place around, and Christine has given the best advise and insight. I haven't had this particular type surgery, but plenty of others, including dozens of scans, biopsies.
What does your radiation oncologist say? Sometimes they may order one sooner or a different type scan depending on what their looking for, patient needs, and some like to switch between scans like CT then next time a PET/CT, but I can't have contrast, so have an MRI instead.
There is no general consensus on post treatment scanning, other than 3-6 months post treatment, according to NCCN guidlines, but that's for cancers of the oropharynx, larynx, hypo-pharynx with T3, T4 disease only, but not for oral cancer, so it depends on your doctor and facility. Mine do scanning 3-6 months post treatment and every 6 months after, do far. Hopefully I'll graduate to once a year.
I had problems biting my tongue or running sharp tooth causing an ulcer, was so thought, but that was punch biopsied in the ENT office being it was palpable and visible to do so without a scan. Sometimes medications may cause tongue issues. I had a few that said can cause tongue swelling, and metallic taste, and tongue issues with thrush to mention a few, so it really can be anything besides cancer, but you're doing the right thing seeing your doctors.
Good luck and hope this helps.
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| | | | Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 111 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 111 | JoYo -
I think if you ask fifty people diagnosed with the same or similar SCC of the tongue, you would probably get 30 different responses.....
Here's mine,
Prior to both resections my tongue felt thick and did not respond well to movement. In both cases there was a lump present.
You should not wait. have the lump checked out. Perhaps request a needle biopsy, if possible.
The numbness could be related to the lump OR just nerve re-generation
Either way, get yourself in front of an ENT. Preferably the one that knows your history and is competent in treating oral cancers.
Good Luck
1997 SCC Tumor on tongue - Partial Gloss 1997 Met to Lymph Radical Neck Dissection / 2nd Partial Gloss 6 weeks chemo and radiation Brachytherapy 2011 Stroke 2014 Recurrence SCC at Base of Tongue / Hemi-gloss Free Flap reconstr from thigh PEG Tube Radiation Permanent Issues with speech and swallowing 2018 - Bleeding throat / mouth 2019 - Bleeding throat / mouth 2019 - 3rd diag Cancer SCC Base of mouth / jawbone 2019 - Aug remove portion of jaw / right pec det / free flap closure and tongue | | | | Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 10 Member | OP Member Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 10 | Thank you all for your helpful comments and advice! My next appointment with my ENT is on 11/30, but I'll call tomorrow and see if I can see him sooner. The most important thing I have learned about oral cancer from this forum is to get questionable symptoms checked out ASAP!
SCC 4/20/16, bottom middle of L side of tongue, T2, HPV-neg Partial glossectomy 5/9/16, L lymph nodes removed (neg), nerve invasion 30 rad 6/20/16-7/29/16 Non-smoker, non-drinker
| | | | Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 10 Member | OP Member Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 10 | Update: I went to see my ENT last week. He told me not to worry and that he thinks the hard tissue is normal, but he did order an MRI for me that I'll be doing on Monday. No matter what the results are, I'll just be glad to know.
SCC 4/20/16, bottom middle of L side of tongue, T2, HPV-neg Partial glossectomy 5/9/16, L lymph nodes removed (neg), nerve invasion 30 rad 6/20/16-7/29/16 Non-smoker, non-drinker
| | | | Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 10 Member | OP Member Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 10 | Hi, I just wanted to share my good news that my MRI I had on Monday came back negative! I didn't realize how much scanxiety I had until after the doctor told me the news, and I just started to cry. I was just resigning myself all week (month) to hear bad news, so it was such a relief to hear the opposite, for once!
Thank you all again for your support. I'm so grateful for this forum.
SCC 4/20/16, bottom middle of L side of tongue, T2, HPV-neg Partial glossectomy 5/9/16, L lymph nodes removed (neg), nerve invasion 30 rad 6/20/16-7/29/16 Non-smoker, non-drinker
| | | | Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 111 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 111 | Good for you... Now enjoy the holidays!
1997 SCC Tumor on tongue - Partial Gloss 1997 Met to Lymph Radical Neck Dissection / 2nd Partial Gloss 6 weeks chemo and radiation Brachytherapy 2011 Stroke 2014 Recurrence SCC at Base of Tongue / Hemi-gloss Free Flap reconstr from thigh PEG Tube Radiation Permanent Issues with speech and swallowing 2018 - Bleeding throat / mouth 2019 - Bleeding throat / mouth 2019 - 3rd diag Cancer SCC Base of mouth / jawbone 2019 - Aug remove portion of jaw / right pec det / free flap closure and tongue | | | | Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 | JoYo,
Great news, enjoy your day!!!!!
Gloria She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards
Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016. | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Congrats Jo!!! Thanks for sharing your update with us! Thats the news we've all been wait to hear. I completely understand being brought to tears during a doctors appointment. You probably have been worrying more than you thought and carrying this burden around on your shoulders for too long. Now you can focus on your recovery. Keep working on getting the best nutrition you can with special attention being paid to your protein intake and calories. You still need to take in extra calories and higher amounts of protein every day to help speed your healing. It can take a year or 2 before your body is completely recovered from the major surgery. Protein speeds healing, check with your doc if its ok to add high protein whey powder to your diet. Best wishes with continued progress in your recovery  ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jul 2016 Posts: 85 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Jul 2016 Posts: 85 | Beautiful news ! Thanks for the update. Enjoy the holidays !
Sept 2002 Rt breast cancer no chemo or radiation. March 2015 Rt tonsil cancer - walnut size lump rt side neck. March 2015 Scan, biopsy confirm March 2015 Port, G tube placed, 10 teeth removed. July 2015 completed 5 chemo/35 radiations Sept 2015 Cat Scan all clear July 2016 G tube, port still in place Ive had Thyroid "graves disease" and Lupus for many years. 4 kidney stone surgeries past 3 mo with over 100 stones still there !
*** Update... Jo passed away 12/20/17 ... RIP Jo ***
| | | | Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 10 Member | OP Member Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 10 | Thank you all for your kind messages and advice! I use the whey powder sometimes in smoothies, but I prefer adding hydrolyzed collagen and heavy cream to my soups for added protein. Although the collagen is missing 2 amino acids, I think it's better than nothing. It doesn't add noticeable flavor or smell to drinks or soups, and dissolves easily in water. Have you tried this product?
SCC 4/20/16, bottom middle of L side of tongue, T2, HPV-neg Partial glossectomy 5/9/16, L lymph nodes removed (neg), nerve invasion 30 rad 6/20/16-7/29/16 Non-smoker, non-drinker
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