| Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | Thanks Cheryl. I'm like the lone ranger, I do everything alone lol. My hemoglobin may go lower based on past experience, current treatment, and my last transfusion was in May when it was 6, with transfusions usually lasting 5 months, longer than the shots last at three months I found, and as you probsbly know, RBC continiously die off, are replaced, and have a cell life between 90-120 days, so it's due, and with surgery, radiation in October lowered it also. My iron is ok, it's my hemoglobin that's low. As far as transfusions, it's a catch 22, injections of procrit, epogen, similar also, which run the risk of recurrence, speeding up cancer. I saw a study regarding HNC with transfusions, non transfusions, and risk of recurrence was 35% for those not receiving blood transfusions, and around 75% risk of recurrence for those that did. Then anemic patients have less survival rates, then those that aren't, plus being more radio resistant.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 | Yikes... !!!! Do you take b12?
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | No. My B12 is in range now, and I get tested for that too. It's from the chemo I had in 2009, and the bone marrow suppression it caused, Chronic Kidney Disease from chemo, plus I have an inherited metabolic disorder, G6PD, whereby my RBC get destroyed faster then they can be replaced, called hemolysis, causing hemolytic anemia, from certain medications, foods, illnesses, stress, anything oxidative, even chemo, radiation, which can be mild to life threatening, which happened a few times.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 | We need to put you in a plastic bubble dude...
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Paul, don't forget the whole vagus issue. Your breathing is compromised and one very good thing is "stacked breathing" on an ongoing basis. Keep an eye on serum chloride, O2 sat and CO2. The chloride can indicate long term CO2 exchange issues from shallower breathing and O2 sat/CO2 from the lungs is the best place to measure that early, much like reticulocyte counts for (immature) red blood cell production from the marrow. Load up on grass fed lamb marrow or wagyu marrow for the CLA punch you need for healthy marrow. It's the tastiest source.
Maybe a baseline lung capacity study via spirometer would be in order? Breathing issues can creep up and the lungs and/or kidneys can easily be the casualties long term. Very little of this is understood beyond neuromuscular breathing specialists such as those used by ALS patients.
Your Friend,
Tonto.
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | @ Cheryl, thankfully I don't get sick often, if at all, but when I do, I make up for lost time lol.
Good one Tonto Lol. I'll keep this in mind. This occurred before my last surgery too, but doesn't mean the vagus nerve wasn't effected by radiation. Probably a combination of factors, the septic shock too causing critical illness myopathy. I still have muscle loss, control in my legs. I need to add a few doctors to my specialist list, but already have 8, so in no rush.
I received Medicare statement, and Proton Therapy cost $7,151 a day, not including the $6,000 for the Mask, CT simulation. Glad I have no deductibles, co-pays or any out of pocket expenses, but do pay $600 a month for full Medicare coverage.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | I can give you my neuro-pulmonologist if you like, Paul. It seems to be a race to see if he retires before I no longer need him. I think my lungs are giving out now. Sure snuck up on me, just since November. Transplant may be one of the only options, just not for me. We talked about a trach and ventilator a year ago but I'm not sure that is even an option now. I sure liked it a lot better when it was just muscle weakness and I worked awful hard to regain incredible lung capacity and even built the diaphragm back to near complete capabilities.
Oh well, I guess we see what tomorrow brings. I still have a freezer full of ribs ready to smoke when spring finally gets here. O.o
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 | Yoga? deep breathing exercises? push yourself. Will they give you a transplant with a cancer history? Hopefully. Hugs and feel better - both of you.
Paul Don't wait... do what you can. NOW.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | [quote=Cheryld]Yoga? deep breathing exercises? push yourself. Will they give you a transplant with a cancer history? Hopefully. Hugs and feel better - both of you.
Paul Don't wait... do what you can. NOW. [/quote]
Unfortunately for a small number of people, Cheryl, rads causes neuromuscular problems that include compromised breathing to the degree it literally destroys the lungs. It presents similar to COPD but if treated early like COPD it can cause sudden death. As it progresses, late stage COPD and the lung issues are the same. Transplants are not an option partly because of the cancer and partly because of issues with heart rate, blood pressure and breathing from vagus nerve/medulla oblongata issues.
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | [quote=Lisacamp007]I am glad to hear NeutraSal is helping. [/quote]
Lisa, I was too lazy to go back and look who mentioned this because the subject contains so many pages. From the website, it's hard to determine exactly what it is prescribed from. It sounds pretty versatile and can help with several things.
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
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