| Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 94 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 94 | Christine, my cancer is HPV positive and it does say so in my signature line. Nevertheless, I completely agree with you on the rest of your points,every patient is indeed different. I only mentioned my case here as I didn't find too many other ones here where rads only without chemo were given. It has given me a great deal of anxiety and I can imagine other people in similar boat might feel the same. On the other hand, I know that my case was presented in front of a medical board/pannel which included MOs. So also agree that Tony should probably at least seek a MO to see what they say.
36, female, left tonsil HPV+ SCC, T2N1 8/28/13 SCC in left tonsil 9/12/13 surgery:TORS and selective neck dissection (levels II-IV), 23 nodes removed 9/18/13 post surgery biopsy: 2mm clear margins, a 7mm lymph node positive in level IV, no ECL 10/28/13 rad begins, 30 treatments, tomotherapy 12/09/13 radiation ends! 2/10/14 papillary thyroid cancer 2/26/14 PET shows clear neck other than thyroid cancer, but with high uptake in an ovarian cyst 2/27/14 thyroidectomy 3/5/14 pelvic ultrasound
| | | | Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 559 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 559 Likes: 1 | My understanding is that my case was also presented before a panel that included an MO as well as RO, surgeon and ENT doc. The entire group signed off on radiation (without chemo) as being next appropriate step in my treatment.
Yes, I will receive radiation on both sides, and have been told by RO that off-side rads will be lighter than on-side.
thanks for caring enough guys to answer.
Everyone, have a great day.
Tony
P.S. Ambra, dance club has a Halloween Costume party Friday night. I'm going as a football ref willing to take a bribe/payoff to help Arkansas win at least one more football game this season. That should stir them up.
Tony, 69, non-smoker, aerobatics pilot, bridge player/teacher, avid dancer (ballroom, latin, swing, country)
09/13 SCC, HPV 16, tonsillectomy, T2N0. 11/13 start rads, no chemo 12/13 taste gone, dry mouth, 02/14 hair slowly returning 05/14 taste the same, dry sinuses, irrigation helps. 01/15 food taste about 60% returned, dry sinuses are worse in winter. 12/20 no more sinus problems, taste pretty good
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Opps! Sorry Ambra, I didnt see it but yes its there. My old age is showing. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 | I think the difference between some of the other non chemo scenarios is that you still have positive margins. The other T2N1 may not have. This definitely makes a difference.
hugs and take care.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | Plus Ambra had TORS, Selectve Neck Dissection.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 94 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 94 | Tony, hope you have a great time at the Halloween dance. Your costume sounds awesome. I am staying away from those this year, I have kept this away from my dance community. Although I would make a bit (too) realistic Frankenstein bride with my huge neck scar!
No worries Christine. I have been missing too many things myself lately at the ripe old age of 36.
36, female, left tonsil HPV+ SCC, T2N1 8/28/13 SCC in left tonsil 9/12/13 surgery:TORS and selective neck dissection (levels II-IV), 23 nodes removed 9/18/13 post surgery biopsy: 2mm clear margins, a 7mm lymph node positive in level IV, no ECL 10/28/13 rad begins, 30 treatments, tomotherapy 12/09/13 radiation ends! 2/10/14 papillary thyroid cancer 2/26/14 PET shows clear neck other than thyroid cancer, but with high uptake in an ovarian cyst 2/27/14 thyroidectomy 3/5/14 pelvic ultrasound
| | | | Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 559 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 559 Likes: 1 | This is gonna sound bizarre - Last week after the initial radiation consult and simulation the "strep throat" returned with a vengeance. I was still on antibiotics (augmentin) and symptom free for like 6 days when here it comes again.
So it's off to docs office who says this time we do a culture because if it was strep then augmentin should have cured it.
Two days later throat culture results says nothing grew, so it could be 1. viral in nature, 2. something related to the cancer. Sit tight over the weekend, give the culture two more days to grow in case it was a slow grower. We'll get final culture report on Monday.
Whoa, what do you mean related to the cancer. Nurse practioner said we reviewed your path report from surgery and they used the word invasive to describe your cancer. I also remember reading the words moderately differentiated which I didn't take to be positive. Combine those two phrases and the imagination can easily start to go wild.
So, of course all this happens late on Friday afternoon, so nothing much can be done until Monday morning.
Now, let's throw one more monkey wrench into the equation. My dentist wants to remove my last wisdom tooth prior to radiation. It's the lower left wisdom tooth, the one immediately adjacent to tumor site. I've never had any trouble with this tooth in past. Next week is earliest I can get it removed. Dentist says we need at least two weeks recovery before rads begin. So, now we're looking even further down the road to finally get to start treatment for an invasive, moderately differentiated tumor. That's roughly 2 months from initial surgery to beginning of rads.
Would you be worried?
Tony, 69, non-smoker, aerobatics pilot, bridge player/teacher, avid dancer (ballroom, latin, swing, country)
09/13 SCC, HPV 16, tonsillectomy, T2N0. 11/13 start rads, no chemo 12/13 taste gone, dry mouth, 02/14 hair slowly returning 05/14 taste the same, dry sinuses, irrigation helps. 01/15 food taste about 60% returned, dry sinuses are worse in winter. 12/20 no more sinus problems, taste pretty good
| | | | Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 94 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 94 | Hi Tony,
I am sorry to hear about these stressful developments.
Not sure what the whole throat thing means. As for the teeth, two weeks wait is pretty standard from teeth extraction to rad commencement. They did remove all of my wisdom teeth, though the one adjacent to the tumor site was already long gone. The molar next to it has a small filling and they said they need to watch it very carefully.
Hope you manage to relax a bit and do something nice this weekend.
36, female, left tonsil HPV+ SCC, T2N1 8/28/13 SCC in left tonsil 9/12/13 surgery:TORS and selective neck dissection (levels II-IV), 23 nodes removed 9/18/13 post surgery biopsy: 2mm clear margins, a 7mm lymph node positive in level IV, no ECL 10/28/13 rad begins, 30 treatments, tomotherapy 12/09/13 radiation ends! 2/10/14 papillary thyroid cancer 2/26/14 PET shows clear neck other than thyroid cancer, but with high uptake in an ovarian cyst 2/27/14 thyroidectomy 3/5/14 pelvic ultrasound
| | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 57 "OCF Canuck" Supporting Member (50+ posts) | "OCF Canuck" Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 57 | Hi all I also had rads only after a neck dissection, I also quizzed my oncologist about chemo after same discussion on forum which our old friend charm participated in. oncologists response was due to small tumour and neck dissection results ( clear margins) the added help +- 4% of chemo on a HPV+ scc versus, the side effects of chemo didn't justify having it. My oncologist is the head of the department in Victoria I am currently seven months out from end of treatment which was much easier then expected, back to pretty much normal Hope you and ambra enjoy your weekend make sure you eat your favourites as they aren't fibbing about loosing your taste for a bit. Best of luck. Ken
46 yr old non smoker moderate drinker Lump on neck Dx branchial cyst by fna mar 2012 Op to remove dec2012 biopsy back hpv 16 scc Starting rads jan 31 no chemo docs say? Finished mar13 Pet scan june 30 NED :))) Back to work and enjoying life Checkup aug 12 all good
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 | Moderately differentiated relates to aggressiveness - the closer the cancer looks to your normal cells the more aggressive it can be. Poorly differentiated = highly aggressive, moderately is exactly what it sounds like! and well differentiated is the least aggressive. Invasive means it is not superficial it has moved into the surrounding tissue and has depth. I would not let them remove your wisdom tooth. Firstly they would be messing with an area that may still have some microscopic cancer opening you up cutting that area is bloody and to me just gets it moving, secondly (I had radiation to my tongue and both sides of my neck and they did not remove any of my 3 impacted wisdom teeth) it has never bothered you, and thirdly the wait time is too long.
The potential problem with leaving it is if you do have problems later in life with your wisdom tooth, having it removed can be a major issue with your jaw. But that goes for all teeth not just wisdom teeth.
I'm sure someone else will be around to give you there opinion.
Hugs and good luck
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
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