| Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | I went to the link but it requires one to sign up for a new account with login and PW and since I already have too many ads coming to me from every place I've already signed up for I went instead to OCF's collection of articles on Oral Cancer and it's relationship to alcohol here:
'http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/search.php?cx=015422755131303034108%3Ao3fylifwmag&cof=FORID%3A11&q=alcohol%2Boral+cancer&sa=Search&siteurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oralcancerfoundation.org%2F
Anne-Marie CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | This is a new article, posted on April 30th, 2014, which may be part and parcel of previous studies.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 | Funny how this one pops back up. I reread it and see I posted 10 months ago. I'm having a drink now and then and not worried. My cancer was HPV, a virus, not related to the tobacco-alcohol variety of OC. I guess I could get that sort of OC but my surgeon last week just said that it is the combination that is really evil. Gotta live a bit and risk seems a lot lower than getting struck by many other life events. Just my view. Don
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | The reason it resurfaced was that I replied to a post today that contained a comment about alcohol, and saw this recent abstract in one of the head and neck cancer news feeds today also, so mentioned I was going to post it in the discussion about a year ago, this is one, in case anyone had interest, finding it interesting reading myself, some backing up prior readings, new and not so new information, but it did not get into HPV etiology, which I always said was different cause. Nothing more or less, no judgements here. Actually, I didn't see the OCF Alcohol content Anne-Marie posted, as is, before, but seems most info is the same as the article, and is sourced from 2014.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: May 2013 Posts: 134 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: May 2013 Posts: 134 | Driving is dangerous (especially in Dallas) Flying is dangerous Sun exposure is dangerous Poultry is dicey Too much beef will jack up cholesterol
If I sat on my couch eating green leafy vegetables I wonder how long I would live. And if I would consider my risk avoidance as a "life". There are certainly reasons to avoid the above and alcohol, too.
Three beers give me a headache so I never have more than two. I don't begrudge anyone the decision to abstain either. I don't think a couple of beers will shorten my life. I don't think abstaining will extend it.
Dx March 2011 via FNA (49 yrs old) SCC BoT HPV+ exact strain unknown Stage IVa T3N2cM0 Cisplatin x 3, IMRT x 40 (7267 cGy) One node removed post-treatment (rad dmg) Clean PET 10/28/11 Swallow therapy | | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | I couldn't care less who drinks, doesn't drink or whatever else they do or don't do either.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | Sorry about the link I posted, I had copied it from the results of a search I did on the OCF main page. When I pasted it it came up with the extremely long url and when I tried it from that long link above it yielded an error page. I should have checked the link before posting. So-o-o-o-o maybe the best way to see a whole collection of news articles about the alcohol/OC connection would be to go to the OCF main page and use the search box found there. I got the articles by searching for "Alcohol + Oral Cancer". There are several listed such as "The Alcohol Connection", "Risk Factors", " Alcohol as a Cause", etc. in case anyone is interested.
Anne-Marie CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | No worries Ann-Marie, I'm glad you did post it, and I was able to open it. I know OCF has udpaded many main page topics, I now refer to, but didn't see this one for alcohol, which is quite extensive, and didn't read it until I arrived home this evening. I did check oral cancer news before posting my link, but didn't see any recent topics, but should have googled alcohol OCF or in search like you mention.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 34 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 34 | [quote=donfoo]
There seems to be little clinical trials or other studies making any connection yet we read everyday that nearly every other thing we eat or breath will kill us, so I side with do the moderation thing and go on living. [/quote]
Well said! It sometimes amazes me that any of us are still living with all of the reports that are out there about what is bad for us. It depends on how the study is done, who is in the sample group and how the data is cut. That's not to say that none of them have validity but we can't be worried about everything. Moderation is right.
3/2014: 25, no risk factors (nonsmoker, rare drinker, HPV negative) SCC right lateral tongue, T1N0M0 - well-differentiated; surgery - removal of tumor, salivary gland + neck dissection 11/2017 - ovarian torsion 12/2018 - basal cell skin cancer
| | | | Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 421 Likes: 1 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 421 Likes: 1 | I loved my wine but at a year out I just can't tolerate it. Hard spirits are out too and not recommended anyway. However, I do enjoy my beer. 2-3 is all I can handle (I've become such a light weight!) but a couple of good beers on a Friday or over the weekend is a pleasure I savor again. It wasn't until late last year that I was able to even drink one. I started buying 'sample six packs', a mix of different beers to try. I found quite a few that I truly enjoyed. PS... highly recommended.... . a chocolate/peanut butter porter that's like drinking a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup... Paired with a piece of pumpkin or pecan pie and it's a no brainer! Mmmm  Positive thoughts and prayers "T"
57 Cardiac bypass 11/07 Cardiac stents 10/2012 Dx'd 11/30/2012 Tx N2b MO Stage IV HPV+ Palatine Tonsillectomy/Biopsies 12-21-12 Selective Neck Dissection/Lingual Tonsillectomy/biopsies TORS 2/7/13 Emergency Surgery/Bleeding 2/18/13 3/13/2013 30rads/6chemo Finished Tx 4/24/13 NED Since
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