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Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 | As a follow up note about e cigarettes. OCF would be an advocate for their use as a harm reduction strategy IF most of the cartridges were not coming out of China. You know the country that put melamine in dog treats that they were exporting to the US (and in milk products for human consumption in their own country) to falsely boost the measurement of protein, while killing tons of our pets here that ate them.
So there is no certification of the replaceable parts of the e cigarettes, and no regulation. The amount of nicotine in them may or may not be what is represented, and whether or not there are any contaminants in them that might be harmful is a complete unknown. If someone would get their product certified and batch tested by a credible source (we don't have to get the FDA involved in all this) OCF would recommend this as a tobacco cessation stepping tool.
People would still be addicted to Nicotine if they didn't reduce their levels. But at the end of the day, tobacco and its carcinogens would not be the delivery vehicle to get the nicotine fix. Nicotine is not without some issues, it does increase blood pressure. And extremists in the anti tobacco campaigns that want "all or nothing" will always mention that it is a poison used in insecticides.
But everything in life can pretty much be harmful to you if you do not consider volume of exposure and duration of exposure. So as someone who is a harm reduction advocate and not interested in absolutes or prohibition, which are positions that seldom work, I find nicotine to be an acceptable risk all things considered.
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Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant.
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Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | Thank you so much Connie, and Laurie I just sent you a PM with the info I got. Brian, I really appreciate your comments and very thorough observations. I'm printing out this whole thread and I just know it will be encouraging to my son Steve and encouraging as well to the rest of our family.
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Anne-Marie
CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
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Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 16 | Brian,
Do you know of any e-cigarettes that come from anywhere besides China? I don't like the idea of unregulated cartridges, but I'm guessing they're better than the garbage in conventional cigarettes. Thanks for the info by the way!
Laurie- CG to husband Jeff age 50: Stage III floor of mouth/BOT T3N1M0
Dx -1/18/13 Full dental extraction-1/24/13 1st PEG-1/30/13
2nd PEG-2/9/13 Tx start-2/13/13 weekly carboplatin/taxol and IMRT -
3rd PEG-2/15/13
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Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 329 | I know Downtown Vapor in Fort Myers Florida the vapor is made in the USA. My bf is using the Vapor I asked him it's on the bottle, Made in the USA.
Check out Downtown Vapor Fort Myers Florida they might have a website if not you can call them. I don't know their number I'm sure it's online.
E-cig never tried it. If it's the fake cig I've seen people use I heard it doesn't work most go to the Vapor.
I hope this helps with the addiction I know the feeling. I had a heck of a time quitting, but when I found the Vapor that was it for me. When you're addicted....you're addicted, sorry if some don't understand addiction.
Connie
SCC. of the left lateral tongue, anterior two thirds, T1 possibly a T2.
Left partial glossectomy, left selective neck dissection 4/21/09. Nodes clean, No Rad, No Chemo.
CT Scan 9/11 clean, CT Scan 9/12 clean
Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, FL. A+.
My hometown Lockport, NY.
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Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 | http://www.greensmoke.com/catalog/images/cert/ce_cart_cert.pdf This is the issue with unregulated products and internet advertising claims, can be what you want them to be. The cartridges are being certified in CHINA. Look, they may be contaminant free, they may be exactly the dosage they say, or maybe not. So while I think the idea is great, like others we have yet to find one that is batch tested for purity and conformity to the amount of nicotine. And OCF would love to find one that is because the tobacco problem in the US is not going away and this kind of product would certainly help.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant.
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