| Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 78 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 78 | Thanks for all the well wishes and advice. I'm being treated at Sloan Kettering. I should hopefully hear back on the hypoxia scan and the HPV on Monday or Tuesday. I'm starting IMRT and cisplatin on Wednesday. A question for the group here: Is proton therapy used with this type of tumor? I wasn't recommended or offered it by any doctor at any of the NYC cancer centers I went but it seems like a pretty interesting therapy if they are able to target the radiation more effectively and save non-cancerous tissue. One very frustrating and worrysome aspect of the pre-cancer diagnosis period was with respect to my diagnosis communication. My primary care doctor recommended a core biopsy and a follow up with an ENT. The biopsy was done on December 20th, 2012. I tried to make an appointment with the 1st doctor that was referred but was unable to get an appointment until mid January. I called and asked to get a second referral in order to see someone earlier. That doctor could only see me on Jan 8th. The pathology report was completed and discussed with my primary care doctor on December 28th. My primary care doctor called me at some point to ensure I had made an appointment to see the doctor, but no mention was made of any urgency. When I arrived at my appointment on Jan 8th after having picked up the pathology report and reading it, I discovered my primary care doctor had referred me to a urologist. I was fortunately able to get an appointment within 2 days with a surgical oncologist and move forward from there. I'm just shocked that my doctor wouldn't tell me that its urgent or push for an earlier appointment. I'm surprised they didn't ensure I was seeing the correct doctor or communicate some sort of information on the diagnosis to me. It was 21 days from biopsy to seeing a surgical oncologist and 13 days from when my doctor knew of the pathology report. Hopefully that delay did not cause any issues with my treatment.
Andrew age 25
early 10/12 - enlarged lymph node area 01/13 SCC of L tonsil, L BOT, 2 L lymph nodes stage IVa, T2N2bM0, HPV+
2/13 2 doses cisplatin big bag, 2 doses weekly cisplatin + 35x IMRT 4/13 TX finished 7/13 PET/CT - NED!
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | Only a dozen or so places have Proton therapy in the U.S. It's expensive to build, large, and is twice as expensive as other EBRT technologies. The only place near NYC I heard having it is ProCure in NJ. None of the hospitals in Manhattan have it, that I'm aware of, and looked myself 6 months ago. To my understanding, new radiation technologies do not need to have extensive Clinical trials like Chemo does for FDA approval, and just has to meet current standards under FDA 510(k) clearance that it can do the same type delivery it is meant to be used for, so that may be another reason why some are waiting.
Glad you received a copy of the pathology report, and noted the errors made. That seems unusual, but you have to be your best advocate, as you probably realize.
Good luck on Wednesday!
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | Andrew:
Wow: a urologist instead of an oncologist referral: guess his staff misheard his instructions. If you type in "proton therapy" in the search box with the quotes (over to the far right side of your screen ) the threads on that pop up. Basically it sounds very good, and one poster here, Jim who had it in NJ liked it. There is an issue that it may be a little too focused for oral cancer cells so that in might let some cells get away. It was moot for most of us since as Paul noted, very few places have it. It is scary and frustrating how long it takes from DX to TX Charm 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 805 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 805 | We went months being jerked around because nobody would listen to me and Kevin was in complete denial. The docs all said there was very little chance it could be cancer because he was not a drinker or a smoker. It took from April to July for a diagnosis. By then it was StageIV. He went from the one large node in April to the whole side of his neck having swollen nodes all the way down to his cervical collar. I was fuming and they knew it. We left that ENT and moved on. Here we are, moving on and living life. Hang in there and try not to stress about what has happened. You need positive vibes right now!!! Look forward and press on! Kathy
Kathy wife/caregiver to: Kevin age:53 Dx 7/15/11 HPV16+ SCC Stage IV BOT/R Non smoker, casual drinker 7/27/11 Cistplatin, taxotere,5FU 2/3week sessions, followed by IMRT 125cgy x 60 (2x daily) w/Erbitux weekly. Last rad 10/26/11. Last Erbitux 10/27/11 PEG placed 9/1/11 Removed 11/8/11 Clear PET 10/12 and 10/13 and ct in 6/14 | | | | Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 78 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 78 | Well good news came back. It is HPV+ which is a relief. I had built up an expectation of HPV+ and when the fna came back not being positive it was a bit of a shock. Anyway, I guess the take away here is it seems a fine needle aspiration can be inconclusive for HPV and a core sample may be required to determine HPV status. Kathy, yeah I went through a similat thing. "It can't be cancer, you are too young." We went from infection to thyroid issue to lymph issue. The proton therapy seems interesting but it is too late for me, ill be starting tomorrow.. Yeah I had read some of the earlier threads, but it didnt seem like a common treatment, at least from the posts here.
Andrew age 25
early 10/12 - enlarged lymph node area 01/13 SCC of L tonsil, L BOT, 2 L lymph nodes stage IVa, T2N2bM0, HPV+
2/13 2 doses cisplatin big bag, 2 doses weekly cisplatin + 35x IMRT 4/13 TX finished 7/13 PET/CT - NED!
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | HPV+ is good news! Usually HPV+ means it responds better to treatment and has less of a chance for recurrences. Stick with us and we will help get you thru this. Good luck tomorrow!!! ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 945 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 945 | Hi, Andrew - I am glad you are moving forward, now. I think that the holidays slow things down. You will be in good hands at Sloan-Kettering. Do you have someone around to be your caregiver and make sure you stay well hydrated and fed throughout the treatments? Maria
CG to husband - SCC Tonsil T1N2M0 HPV+ Never Smoker First symptoms 7/2010, DX 12/2010 TX 40 IRMT (1.8 gy) + 10 Cetuximab PET Scans 6/2011 + 3/2012 clear, 5 year physical exam clear; chest CT's clear of cancer. On thyroid pills. Life is good.
| | | | Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 214 Likes: 1 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 214 Likes: 1 | Andrew,
Good luck on the treatment. I have just went through it, and it is no picnic.
1) You will need help. Driving on chemo is doable but I don't recommend it. For me it was a no way. Another set of ears in room with the doctor goes a long way on getting it right. I had my wife with me on every visit. Someone needs to push you hard. You will have no appetite and it will hurt to eat but you must.
2) Chemo plays tricks on you. Create a log sheet of drugs that you take and when. Believe me you will not be able to remember what you took and when. Take the pills as recommended. Getting behind is the problem. Taking them after your sick is too late.
3) Get some boost, Ensure, other liquid drinks and start drinking them now and go as long as you can into treatment. At some point you might not be able to swallow but a few sips of water. I, and many others, had to get a peg. It sucks, but it works. It may take a week to get it, so don't wait until you can't eat or drink, you will have to make that call before then. Every day got worse until about 3 week post rad for me.
4) Post often and ask questions. If you don't post, we can't help. Somebody here has been through just about everything. I really pity the people that had to go through this blind.
Hockey Dad 43, No smoke, Small BOT HPV+16 8/30/12 Biopsy found SCC in Lymph node (removed) 9/19 DX 4a T1N2aM0 10/1 TX 2x Cisplatin 35 IMRT 70 gry (Done 11/15) PEG tube in 11/7. Out 1/4, Back at work 2/4/13 PET 2/13 Clear, 10/16 all Scopes Clear, 4/14 Chest X-ray Clear, 5/14 Abdominal ultrasound Clear, 8 yrs clean!!!
| | | | Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 | Andrew, when my husband started treatment and was still eating, I used to record the amount of fluid and calories he was taking everyday. This was the only way I could tell if he was getting enough of both. Your appetite as well as your ability to drink will be impacted. Don't wait until your weight goes into free fall before tracking. It will be very hard to make your way back at that point. We were also advised to have him drink a couple of bottles of Ensure a day so that he would get the essential vitamins and nutrients. That was all before he got his PEG tube.
When you start the painkillers, make sure you ask your doctor about the bowel routine. At our hospital, they have a bowel routine that is a four-step program. In treatment, the body is on a delicate balance, a bit too much laxative and there may be diarrhea and dehydration can result; too little laxative and the body may get horrible bowel cramps. It sounds complicated but you will get the hang of it.
Good luck, you can do it!
Gloria She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards
Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016. | | | | Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 78 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 78 | Thanks for all the suggestions.
I will have my amazing girlfriend around to take care of me and force me to do things I dont want to do. I live in Manhattan so only a subway ride or cab to sloan. It seems like a great idea to keep a log both of medicine and nutrition and we will be doing that.
Andrew age 25
early 10/12 - enlarged lymph node area 01/13 SCC of L tonsil, L BOT, 2 L lymph nodes stage IVa, T2N2bM0, HPV+
2/13 2 doses cisplatin big bag, 2 doses weekly cisplatin + 35x IMRT 4/13 TX finished 7/13 PET/CT - NED!
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