| Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 | Emilie, sorry to hear about your diagnosis. But welcome to our little band of heroes, of whom I consider myself a junior member. You are among friends who will support you to the nth degree.
Charm's post above is terrific and, as you get to read more of his, only indicative of his level of intelligence and knowledge. But in fact everyone here is great.
Ask us any questions. Rant at will. Send IMs. We are here for you.
I can only imagine how scared you are and ditto your son. If this had happened to one of my parents at that age I'm not sure how I would have been able to handle it. But he can come on here and post too. We have lots of care givers and we always welcome them equally.
It's true: your friends and family need to get it together for you, not the other way around. Most do. It's human nature. But never forget you have another family here.
David's advice about the PEG is excellent. As a point of information (we're all different so keep that in mind) I did not get a PEG during radiation and had a very difficult time keeping my nutrition up. We all tend to lose some weight during treatment. I found that the sores in my mouth were so large and numerous that it made it extremely difficult to swallow even water. But again, your experience may be different. So if you're going in with the strong, positive attitude to tough it out through the pain, I admire you and hope you can. And then you always have the nasal tube option if you need it.
Keep us posted every step of the way.
Courage!
(Oh and it's a good idea to have your thyroid levels checked before rads, as that can mess with them as it has with many of us. Also assume you're seeing a dentist pre-treatment for decisions about your dental health and flouride trays; if this is all Greek to you, ask your RO - radiation oncologist - when you see him/her tomorrow)
David 2 SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 15 years all clear in 6/24 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | At a recent SPOHNC meeting, the coordinator, who is a speech pathologist, said the trend now is that more doctors are advising not to have a peg tube placed. I guess it's due to some having to use it permanently or becoming depedant on it longer than necesary. Anyway, one was recommended to me three years ago, what I read to do also, and even have my 2nd one, which I doubt I could have done without both times.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 | Well it seems it's quite different in this part of the world. We were told that patients who have a PEG placed prior to treatment starting do better in the long term. They lose less weight and consequently have a better outcome. Kris had his PEG placed prior to rads and chemo, they would not start without it in situ. Despite this he was strongly encouraged to continue to swallow as much as he could. In fact we only used his PEG to supplement feeding on 2 days of his treatment. Tammy
Caregiver/advocate to Husband Kris age 59@ diagnosis DX Dec '10 SCC BOT T4aN2bM0 HPV+ve.Cisplatin x3 35 IMRT. PET 6/11 clear. R) level 2-4 neck dissection 8/1/11 to remove residual node - necrotic with NED Feb '12 Ca back.. 3/8/12 total glossectomy/laryngectomy/bilat neck dissection/partial pharyngectomy etc. clear margins. All nodes negative for disease. PEG in. March 2017 - 5 years disease free. Woohoo!
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | I was told I had to have it but it was my choice not to use it... It didn't help that I couldn't stomach the formula. In the end I got by without it. Welcome. You'll get through it - you're stronger than you know. Hugs... We'll be here to help.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | As we learned from the PEG wars, oncology doctors disagree on whether a PEG should be routine or exceptional. The concern is that swallowing recovery can be compromised or delayed. In the past, I've posted excerpts from a conference of European doctors that they think PEGs should be avoided if possible. Others here have reported the exact opposite, their doctors actually required them to get a PEG even when they could still swallow and eat fine. My CCC radiologist was in the no PEG (unless significant weight loss adverse to health). I remain a staunch advocate for those who like myself, found a deep psychological boost and satisfaction in getting through TX without a PEG. Others, perhaps a majority, are big advocates for getting a PEG as a matter of course. It's ironic that I'm on a lifetime PEG when I resisted it for so long. Charm 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 7 Member | OP Member Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 7 | Truth be told, I could lose a 50+ pounds and be down to the "normal" people range. I think I will get the PEG, so even when I lose the weight, the nutrients I get in are the right nutrients, not just what I can get past my throat. Still plan to swallow as much as possible. I bought a Ninja processor so I can soupify just about everything. Can't afford to lose muscle weight.
Age 52 at Dx, SCC,Stage IV BOT and PET shows only 1 node, T4N1M0, smoker (quit Nov 16 2012, non drinker, scheduled for Cisplatin x 7 with concurrent IMRT x 35 plus additional 3 months of Cisplatin. Dec 2013 - NED
| | | | Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 145 "OCF Down Under" Senior Member (100+ posts) | "OCF Down Under" Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 145 | Hi Emilie,
As you can tell from the opinions stated above, there is no right or wrong option here and whichever one you choose, the most important factor is that you are getting plenty of nutrition & fluids in during your treatment.
My wife is currently in her last week of treatment and has managed to get by without a PEG but the doctors are recommending a nasal gastric tube just in case as the few weeks after treatment are supposed to be the most difficult.
As we end the near of our treatment, we wish you the best of luck with your upcoming and encourage you to stay positive and keep one step ahead of the curb!
6/8/12: Wife 33y/o with no risk dx with Stage IVa SCC L of Tongue(T4aN2bM0) 3/9/12: Induced birth @ 36 weeks - Baby Hunter! 11/9/12: OP - 3/4 Partial Gloss, Radical ND & Tongue Rec. 24/10/12: 33xRad + 7xChemo 7/12/12: Tx complete 21/3/13 & 21/6/13: NED 24/7/13: SCC in Lungs - OP: Lobectomy (VATS) 29/1/14 passed away
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Even though you may have some weight to lose, try your very best to not lose any. It will make this a whole lot easier on your body if you maintain your current weight. When things dont taste right and it hurts to swallow its awfully hard to take in enough every day. Right now you should be eating all your favorites and not worrying about gaining a couple pounds. Go into this without having any cravings or regrets. Eat all the high calorie, spicy, chewy foods you like. Weight loss is discouraged.
My doc told me his goal was to keep me at my same weight from beginning to end. It didnt happen and I lost 65 pounds. I also ended up hospitalized more than once for malnutrition and dehydration.
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Emilie,
Whether or not you use the PEG or the Nasal Tube, you control what nutrients are put through them.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 381 "OCF Canuck" Platinum Member (300+ posts) | "OCF Canuck" Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 381 | Just to weigh in, my doc was opposed to the PEG at the start. As it turns out, rad is on hold for me, but he made it clear that he did not want me to start with any tubes. The NG was disaster for me in hospital and had to be removed early. You might want to check to see if you have any latex allergies in advance.
Tina Diag: Aug. 13/12 T3N0M0 50% + glossectomy and bilateral radical neck dissection, removal of nodes zones I - V Surgery October 11/12 Chemo/rad on hold due to clear margins and nodes Sept 21/13 clear CT with anomaly thought to be the artery, being watched closely. Dec 16/13 - anomaly confirmed artery, all clear nickname: "get 'r done" Plans: kick cancer's butt
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