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Emilie #158089 11-25-2012 03:49 PM
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Emilie, sorry to hear about your diagnosis. But welcome to our little band of heroes, of whom I consider myself a junior member. You are among friends who will support you to the nth degree.

Charm's post above is terrific and, as you get to read more of his, only indicative of his level of intelligence and knowledge. But in fact everyone here is great.

Ask us any questions. Rant at will. Send IMs. We are here for you.

I can only imagine how scared you are and ditto your son. If this had happened to one of my parents at that age I'm not sure how I would have been able to handle it. But he can come on here and post too. We have lots of care givers and we always welcome them equally.

It's true: your friends and family need to get it together for you, not the other way around. Most do. It's human nature. But never forget you have another family here.

David's advice about the PEG is excellent. As a point of information (we're all different so keep that in mind) I did not get a PEG during radiation and had a very difficult time keeping my nutrition up. We all tend to lose some weight during treatment. I found that the sores in my mouth were so large and numerous that it made it extremely difficult to swallow even water. But again, your experience may be different. So if you're going in with the strong, positive attitude to tough it out through the pain, I admire you and hope you can. And then you always have the nasal tube option if you need it.

Keep us posted every step of the way.

Courage!

(Oh and it's a good idea to have your thyroid levels checked before rads, as that can mess with them as it has with many of us. Also assume you're seeing a dentist pre-treatment for decisions about your dental health and flouride trays; if this is all Greek to you, ask your RO - radiation oncologist - when you see him/her tomorrow)


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SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 15 years all clear in 6/24 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
Emilie #158098 11-25-2012 05:35 PM
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At a recent SPOHNC meeting, the coordinator, who is a speech pathologist, said the trend now is that more doctors are advising not to have a peg tube placed. I guess it's due to some having to use it permanently or becoming depedant on it longer than necesary. Anyway, one was recommended to me three years ago, what I read to do also, and even have my 2nd one, which I doubt I could have done without both times.


10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil
11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp
01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks
06/11 30 HBO
08/11 RND PNI
06/12 SND PNI LVI
08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy
10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux
10/13 SND
10/13 TBO/Angiograph
10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI
12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo
11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO
03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN
09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy
04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site
06/17 Heart Attack Stent
02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs






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Well it seems it's quite different in this part of the world.
We were told that patients who have a PEG placed prior to treatment starting do better in the long term. They lose less weight and consequently have a better outcome.
Kris had his PEG placed prior to rads and chemo, they would not start without it in situ. Despite this he was strongly encouraged to continue to swallow as much as he could. In fact we only used his PEG to supplement feeding on 2 days of his treatment.
Tammy


Caregiver/advocate to Husband Kris age 59@ diagnosis
DX Dec '10 SCC BOT T4aN2bM0 HPV+ve.Cisplatin x3 35 IMRT.
PET 6/11 clear.
R) level 2-4 neck dissection 8/1/11 to remove residual node - necrotic with NED
Feb '12 Ca back.. 3/8/12 total glossectomy/laryngectomy/bilat neck dissection/partial pharyngectomy etc. clear margins. All nodes negative for disease. PEG in.
March 2017 - 5 years disease free. Woohoo!
Emilie #158102 11-25-2012 08:19 PM
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I was told I had to have it but it was my choice not to use it... It didn't help that I couldn't stomach the formula. In the end I got by without it. Welcome. You'll get through it - you're stronger than you know. Hugs... We'll be here to help.


Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
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As we learned from the PEG wars, oncology doctors disagree on whether a PEG should be routine or exceptional. The concern is that swallowing recovery can be compromised or delayed. In the past, I've posted excerpts from a conference of European doctors that they think PEGs should be avoided if possible. Others here have reported the exact opposite, their doctors actually required them to get a PEG even when they could still swallow and eat fine. My CCC radiologist was in the no PEG (unless significant weight loss adverse to health).
I remain a staunch advocate for those who like myself, found a deep psychological boost and satisfaction in getting through TX without a PEG. Others, perhaps a majority, are big advocates for getting a PEG as a matter of course. It's ironic that I'm on a lifetime PEG when I resisted it for so long.
Charm


65 yr Old Frack
Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+
2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG
2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery
25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
Apaghia /G button
2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa
40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin

Passed away 4-29-13
Emilie #158124 11-26-2012 08:47 AM
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Truth be told, I could lose a 50+ pounds and be down to the "normal" people range. I think I will get the PEG, so even when I lose the weight, the nutrients I get in are the right nutrients, not just what I can get past my throat. Still plan to swallow as much as possible. I bought a Ninja processor so I can soupify just about everything. Can't afford to lose muscle weight.


Age 52 at Dx, SCC,Stage IV BOT and PET shows only 1 node, T4N1M0, smoker (quit Nov 16 2012, non drinker, scheduled for Cisplatin x 7 with concurrent IMRT x 35 plus additional 3 months of Cisplatin.
Dec 2013 - NED
Emilie #158167 11-26-2012 11:00 PM
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Hi Emilie,

As you can tell from the opinions stated above, there is no right or wrong option here and whichever one you choose, the most important factor is that you are getting plenty of nutrition & fluids in during your treatment.

My wife is currently in her last week of treatment and has managed to get by without a PEG but the doctors are recommending a nasal gastric tube just in case as the few weeks after treatment are supposed to be the most difficult.

As we end the near of our treatment, we wish you the best of luck with your upcoming and encourage you to stay positive and keep one step ahead of the curb!


6/8/12: Wife 33y/o with no risk dx with Stage IVa SCC L of Tongue(T4aN2bM0)
3/9/12: Induced birth @ 36 weeks - Baby Hunter!
11/9/12: OP - 3/4 Partial Gloss, Radical ND & Tongue Rec.
24/10/12: 33xRad + 7xChemo
7/12/12: Tx complete
21/3/13 & 21/6/13: NED
24/7/13: SCC in Lungs - OP: Lobectomy (VATS)
29/1/14 passed away
Emilie #158168 11-27-2012 06:10 AM
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Even though you may have some weight to lose, try your very best to not lose any. It will make this a whole lot easier on your body if you maintain your current weight. When things dont taste right and it hurts to swallow its awfully hard to take in enough every day. Right now you should be eating all your favorites and not worrying about gaining a couple pounds. Go into this without having any cravings or regrets. Eat all the high calorie, spicy, chewy foods you like. Weight loss is discouraged.

My doc told me his goal was to keep me at my same weight from beginning to end. It didnt happen and I lost 65 pounds. I also ended up hospitalized more than once for malnutrition and dehydration.



Christine
SCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44
2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07
-65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr
Clear PET 1/08
4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I
surg 4/16/08 clr marg
215 HBO dives
3/09 teeth out, trismus
7/2/09 recur, Stg IV
8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy
3wks medicly inducd coma
2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit
PICC line IV antibx 8 mo
10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg
OC 3x in 3 years
very happy to be alive smile
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Emilie,

Whether or not you use the PEG or the Nasal Tube, you control what nutrients are put through them.


David

Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Just to weigh in, my doc was opposed to the PEG at the start. As it turns out, rad is on hold for me, but he made it clear that he did not want me to start with any tubes. The NG was disaster for me in hospital and had to be removed early. You might want to check to see if you have any latex allergies in advance.


Tina
Diag: Aug. 13/12
T3N0M0
50% + glossectomy and bilateral radical neck dissection, removal of nodes zones I - V
Surgery October 11/12
Chemo/rad on hold due to clear margins and nodes
Sept 21/13 clear CT with anomaly thought to be the artery, being watched closely.
Dec 16/13 - anomaly confirmed artery, all clear
nickname: "get 'r done"
Plans: kick cancer's butt
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