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Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | cuban keith Still living La vida loca eh.? You are a continuing source of education for me on the latest and greatest homeopathic fake remedies. I hope in this case, you are talking about a real compound of Marigold/Calendula, which is not the homeopathic one peddled on the internet at all but actually fabricated from a plant of the marigold family, Calendula officinalis. The digest is obtained by incubation at 75�C in petroleum jelly to extract the liposoluble components of the plant. A small study in France showed that an ointment made this way (instead of the homeopathic fallacy of diluting it to nothing with water)showed benefits for radiation dermatitis on female breast cancer patients after radiation. That study was done back in 2004 by the manufacturer of the ointment and I can't find any other studies since then which is a shame. I haven't see anything about it working on HPV, but the internet claims it cures most everything, which is usually not a good sign. BTW: Jimmy Cagney was never in the movie Boys Town, the tough kid character Whitey Marsh was played by Mickey Rooney Charm
65 yr Old Frack
Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+
2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG
2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery
25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
Apaghia /G button
2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa
40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
Passed away 4-29-13
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Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,406 | Charm, I remember reading something about the, ahem, efficacy of homeopathic dilution, to the effect that one of the more popular solutions contains something akin to one molecule of whatever the heck the original stuff was in a volume about equal to that of our solar system.
Hello molecule..... where are you....?
David 2
SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 14 years all clear in 6/23 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
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Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | Re the efficacy of homeopathic dilution, a recent OCF news article ( http://oralcancernews.org/wp/category/oral_cancer_news/) mentions that: <<An extract found in the bright yellow curry spice turmeric can kill off cancer cells, scientists have shown. The chemical � curcumin � has long been thought to have healing powers and is already being tested as a treatment for arthritis and even dementia>> I suppose this mean that the spice turmeric that I just put in my bread and butter pickles (1/2 tsp in three 16oz jars) isn't really going to have any effect on my arthritis? Nor kill off any cancer cells that might be lurking around?
Anne-Marie
CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
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Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,406 | Anne-Marie, methinks there's a big difference between the ongoing research that is showing some correlation between things like turmeric having an effect on cancer cells, or anything else for that matter, and the philosophy of homeopathy, which as far as I'm concerned is a great way for some people to make money from gullible idiots.
If you're interested in researching the latter I'm sure there are numerous sites and studies available.
David 2
SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 14 years all clear in 6/23 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
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Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | David2
I assumed that Anne-Marie was just continuing your humorous approach to debunking homeopathy. My assumption was based on her unwavering support in PMs to me when I am attacked on the forum by the magical thinking brigade .
I really do appreciate your and others chiming in whenever the latest woo woo pops up. You and she have a lighter touch that may help get the message across better than my righteous and didactic responses. After I get my biopsy report, I'm planning on a new thread in the adjunctive forum, where I will excerpt from blogs exposing these alternative or woo woo or quackademic treatments. Some of the comments to those blogs actually make my posts look meek and mild .
CubanKeith is really a good guy who never tries to defend or argue about these wacky remedies/treatments that his friends and acquaintances share with him. I meant it when I said he is a CLE for me as there are so many false hope peddlers and new age charlatans out there. I was deluged with most of them by well meaning but gullible friends and colleagues at first until I chided them so some of the ones he mentions were new to me.
Charm
Last edited by Charm2017; 08-21-2012 10:18 AM. Reason: typos
65 yr Old Frack
Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+
2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG
2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery
25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
Apaghia /G button
2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa
40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
Passed away 4-29-13
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Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | You assumed correctly, Charm. And we really do need your "righteous and didactic responses"! Looking forward to the new thread in the plans.
Anne-Marie
CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
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Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 47 | Charm 2017
Hey old timer, if the movie was not boys town i am sure it had Cagney after a chat with the priest, anyhow I defer to your age and movie wisdom. Many night I am looking for a classic old movie suggestions happily recieved. I am on week 11 of Chemo and 5 of heavy radiation, I would still be cracking jokes if it did not split the side of my lips. I am staying staight on the hard path as adviced and supported in this great forum. The candula is from a decent supplier and tastes alittle more pleasant than some mouth rinses.
Keep up the good work,
Keith
Last edited by CubanKeith; 08-23-2012 06:49 PM. Reason: Replying to Charm2017
21st March squall cells.Endescopy not oesophagus, ENT .April endo nose CAT MRI general Panendoscopy prim-HPV 16 base of left tongue one node-stage 2.23rd of May.14/5/12 9 teeth out.8/6/12 PICC inserted.11/6/12 1st Chemos 25/6/12 2nd Chemo Cisplatin5FU:27/6/12 PEG23/8/12 Radiation finished 1/9/12.
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Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | Very helpful David. As for kissing, no way for me as I couldn't if I tried. No jaw is tough as some of us know. It changes your life big time. Keep up the good work guys.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April.
--- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
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Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 945 | Keith and Charm - I asked my husband and he thinks you may be thinking of Angels with Dirty Faces.
CG to husband - SCC Tonsil T1N2M0 HPV+ Never Smoker
First symptoms 7/2010, DX 12/2010
TX 40 IRMT (1.8 gy) + 10 Cetuximab
PET Scans 6/2011 + 3/2012 clear, 5 year physical exam clear; chest CT's clear of cancer. On thyroid pills. Life is good.
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Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | All of Cagney's movies were good but I agree with Charm. Boys Town can be eliminated.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April.
--- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
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