| Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 5 Member | OP Member Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 5 | I recently underwent a partial glossectomy with a modified radical neck dissection, mainly because of the perception that the tumor was between T2 and T3. The pathology came back staged as T2N0M0 with margins negative by at lease 5 mm. I understand the need to be aggressive, which we already have been, but now they are recommending post-operative radiation, based on the depth, perineural and angiolymphatic invasion. I would generally not deny treatment options, but I'm concerned about the complications. I do have a PEG, which I can probably keep through the radiation treatments. But is this overkill?
34 yo male Partial left glossectomy and mod rad neck 7/19/10 Path report T2N0M0, depth >5mm, +PNI, +LVI, margins - (>5mm)
| | | | Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 60 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 60 | I'll tell you the truth. Right now I am putting all my faith in God and my medical team at Johns Hopkins--I follow all of their recommendations, as I figure it is always better to be safe than sorry.
Susan/59/nonsmoker /tonsil cancer spread to tongue,stage III diagnosed 6/10, HPV+ T3,N1 Finished 35 radiation and 7 cisplatin 9/7/10.
| | | | Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 142 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 142 | I am not sure of the type you have but I just had to make the same decision. I was stage 1 but because of perineural invasion I was told I needed radiation. Apparently cancer does not move cell to cell on nerve tissue but rather hops or jumps. If one cell jumped beyond the clear margin that is all it would take. I called everyone I could think of that knew anything about this and I was told by Everyone that I should have the radiation. I now fear the side effects of the radiation as much or more than the cancer. It was probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make.
55 12/17/09 High Grade Muceopidermoid Carcinoma Alerted by Largo my Mini Schnauzer 1/18/10 Clr PET 1/27/10 Surgery found Perineural invasion 3/22/10 Began Rad 05/05/10 34 rads 8/19/10 Clr Pet Scan 12/13/10 Clr Ultra sound/biopsy 5/4/11 MRI Clear 8/2/11 All Clear 5/25/12 All Clear 6/3/2016 All Clear
| | | | Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 440 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 440 | Whatever your decision is, make sure you are at peace with it, you don't want the "what if's" to steal your joy.
Good luck!
Dx 3/27/09 @ 28 years old with High Grade MEC T4N2M0 Elizabeth, 33, mother of 3 girls (4,7, &8yrs old) 3 rds of chemo(Carbo/Taxol) Rt Mandibulectomy, rt fibular flap,& rt ND with trach, picc,& g-tube. 30 rds of rads with weekly cisplatin SCANS ALL CLEAR! OCF Regional Coordinator of San Antonio Walk
| | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 64 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 64 | Statistically, we see more recurrences in surgical only primary solutions than we do in a multidisciplinary treatment approach. Recurrences can be harder to deal with than the original disease.
No one can make this decision for you, but I do not think it is something you want to deal with again, nor have what your treatment team thinks is incomplete primary treatment. You have a team with lots of experience. My personal choice would be to trust their experience based decisions. At the end of the day it's your life, and even they will not force you into things.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | In my son's case, the treatment team left it up to him when it came to the radiation and I am so glad he chose to follow their recommendation even though I could see how difficult the radiation recovery was for him. He made it through and is just fine now. I am only the caregiver but as his mother I will be forever greatful for the aggressive action taken in treating my son. As Susan says, "better safe than sorry".
Anne-Marie CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
| | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | Just my opinion, but I think the "complications" of the cancer coming back if you do not get radiation will make whatever radiation effects you are currently worried about seem like minor annoyances. My medical team was adamant that perineural involvement meant it was just a matter of time before the cancer came back a third time if I did not have even more radiation. I did not make this decision lightly as I already had the "maximum" radiation and due to the Erbitux, horrendous side effects. But I believe I would be in a hospice now if I had not gotten the follow up radiation. If you disregard your doctor's advice and the cancer does come back, you will regret it forever. Charm 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 5 Member | OP Member Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 5 | Thanks for the quick responses. Agree with all that has been said. Guess on some level was hoping to avoid radiation complications, but I guess it is what it is. Better to take care of the primary as thorough as possible. Thanks.
34 yo male Partial left glossectomy and mod rad neck 7/19/10 Path report T2N0M0, depth >5mm, +PNI, +LVI, margins - (>5mm)
| | | | Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 201 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 201 | Just wanted to let you know my sister is also facing this decision and is moving on with the radiation treatment with much support(and being pushed) of her family. I am sure she will be kicking and screaming the whole way. She to is very afraid of the possible side effects and changes her mind everyday, but tomorrow she is getting fit for her mask. Her tumor was about the same size as yours and the dr's feel that it is needed. She might as well get it all done at once and not be a happy camper instead of healing and then not being a happy camper Again! I wish you luck on your treatment!!
CG to Sister (42). Smoker quit @ diagnosis Dx 4/20/10 SCC T2N0M0, Rside of tongue Hemigloss R neck dis, all nodes removed 6/2/10, Trach and NG in, home 6/8/10,8/18/2010 start erbitux x6, 30 IMRT end 10/11/10 with only 3x erbitux due to reaction and one week off of rads 1/10/2011 Clear PET!!!
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | One very important thing to remember. Everyone is different. Although someone may have something very similar, they could sail right thru radiation while another person may stumble. Ive seen some lucky individuals go right thru treatment without losing weight or complaining of anything more than a sore throat. Think positive and be prepared for the long fight but take it one day at a time. Best of luck with your decisions. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | |
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