thanks, yes my dr keeps reminding me at my 3mth check ups that some things take time . i look forward to the odema under my jaw finally vanishing, they nicked a nerve in surgery so have a crooked smile for now but once the odema has settled for good dr will look at corrective fix on that if it really bothers me. could just be coincedence but i was on antibiotics course for 2 weeks up to monday as i'd had a boil in my armpit that had to be lanced and havent had to much problem hacking them up since . anyway the threads are already proving a mine of information for me . ross