| Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 27 "OCF Down Under" Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 27 | Any trismus guru's out there. I have a fast onset trismus that is getting worse. Started three weeks ago and now only 1mm between teeth. Seen hospital physio and started stretching but its getting worse and I cant take the pain anymore. I see my surgeon in 3 days what can I ask him? are ther any other treatments than stretching. It hurts so much and I dont know what to do as every one just says stretch! Its driving me crazy! Help if anyone has any information it would be awsome!!! Tone
lyph node positive 10/08 Parotodectomy 4/09 Rad six wks 65 grey Pet scan clear 03/10 no primary Pet 01/10 base tonge primary CT 3.5 Tumor 01/2010 radical tongue reconstruction with forearm flap 2/10 severe Trismus 06/10 | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | If your pain is that severe, call your doc right away. Nobody should have to suffer in pain.
As far as the trismus goes, unfortunately the advice from a couple days ago is the same. Im really sorry you are going thru this, I know how bad it can be. Its happened to me. Pain from surgery and still must do light stretches or it will constrict more. There are several others here who have gone thru this. Then there are some who complain about a 20mm opening, they dont realize how fortunate they are. Try the hot wash cloth, pain meds prior and then careful slow stretches. If possible try the tongue depressors or there are a couple devices that could help once you get your mouth open a little more. There is no easy way around this problem.
Hope you feel better soon. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 27 "OCF Down Under" Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 27 | Thankyou Christine, I see my surgeon on Monday so I guess I will be asking for a pain management plan through him or my GP. I am on tramadol but I cant take the pain of this Trismus and if stretching is the only way I will need something strong to get through it. Even when I stop stretching I have a dull pain in my jaw and shooting pain that goes to my ear. It is bad.
Did you gain range of mouth opening back at all? How long did it take if you did?
Thankyou again for answering my post as their doesnt seem to be much knowledge anywhere on it. Even the hospital physio was no wealth of knowledge despite being very experienced. Kindest regards Tony
lyph node positive 10/08 Parotodectomy 4/09 Rad six wks 65 grey Pet scan clear 03/10 no primary Pet 01/10 base tonge primary CT 3.5 Tumor 01/2010 radical tongue reconstruction with forearm flap 2/10 severe Trismus 06/10 | | | | Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,406 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,406 | Tony, I didn't have the trismus problem and I'm so sorry to read of your travails. Man! But pain is one thing you shouldn't have to deal with. Tramadol is pretty low level stuff and you definitely need something stronger. At least Vicodin and preferably Percocet/Oxycodone. Ask your doctors about Oxy, it comes in tiny pills (at least the 5 mg ones) and you should be able to get them down. Let us know.
David 2
David 2 SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 14 years all clear in 6/23 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
| | | | Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,301 "OCF Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,301 | Tony, Just wondering how you are doing. Any improvement with the trismus and pain? Glad you got the wristband OK and I have not taken mine off since it arrived from the US. Please send an update. Love Gabriele
History Leukoplakia bx 8/2006 SCC floor mouth T3N0M0- Verrucous Carcinoma. 14 hour 0p SCC-Right ND/excision/marginal mandibulectomy 9/2006, 4 teeth removed, flap from wrist, trach-ng 6 days- no chemo/rad. 6 ops and debulking (flap/tongue join) + bx's 2006-2012. bx Jan 2012 Hyperkeratosis-Epithelial Dysplasia 24cm GIST tumour removed 8/2013. Indefinite Oral Chemo.
1/31/16 passed away peacefully surrounded by family
| | | | Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 644 Likes: 1 "OCF Down Under, Kiwi" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "OCF Down Under, Kiwi" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 644 Likes: 1 | Tony, sorry to hear about the pain. I agree with David, upthread. You shouldn't have to deal with this. Doctors seem to swear by tramadol but it didn't work for me when I had my first tongue surgery in a day clinic and ended up in agony. Funnily enough, what did work was panadol and voltaren suppositories. I really hope you get this sorted soon. Good luck! Maureen
1996, ovarian cancer surgery + cisplatin and taxol. September, 2007, SCC of left lateral tongue. Excision. October, 2009 recurrence in scar tissue, T1NOMO. Free flap surgery from left wrist - neck dissection. 63 year old New Zealander. No chemo, no RT. February, 2014. New primary in left buccal mucosa. Marginal mandibulectomy, neck dissection, right arm free forearm flap. T1N0M0 but third occurrence and some areas of concern: RT started 8 April and finished 19 May.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Tony, I am so sorry to read you are suffering in pain. I take neurontin which is for muscle pain. It works wonders on the jaw pain. Ive had the pain you describe, its awful. Please get something stronger. How about the fentanyl patches? They are long lasting, only has to be changed every 3 days and is the strongest stuff out there. Oxycodone comes in liquid form as does the neurontin. They go down the peg tube nicely. I would ask the doc for the fentanyl patch, the neurontin for the muscle pain and also oxycodone for breakthru pain. That should make you feel so much better.
I still have trismus. I stretch my mouth a couple times per day. Mine is so bad that the dentist cant even get the mold in my mouth to make dentures. I had my teeth removed last year and instead of getting dentures, I ended up getting OC again and no teeth. My teeth were badly damaged by radiation and had to be removed. Overall, Im ok with this. Im very fortunate to even be here after going thru OC 3 times in 3 years. I can work on my trismus and eventually get my mouth open wide enough for the dentures, but thats down the road. First I am doing some reconstruction surgery.
Please keep posting on your progress. You have alot of people here in your corner pulling for you. Sure hope you get some pain relief very soon. Hang in there buddy!!!! ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 1 Member | Member Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 1 | Hi Im new to this site and was joyful to actually find the "trismus" as what I could find elsewhere is nominal. So concur with all comments about" that might happen" as an after event when the event has happened.
Can anyone tell me what comes next - my mouth is down to one finger opening (post chemo/35 x RT on 18 June this year) whilst its healing pretty well inside (she says, but cant see in there!)since the ulceration has retreated the mouth is tightening up so fast. I have a peg (not a peg, the other thing I cant think of the name right now - is it a RIG). Will I just live unable to speak or eat and without pain????? what happens to teeth issues???????????????? this is what I want answers to. Its hurting pretty bad right now and Im scared.
Hope Ive posted in the right place; well done you guys out there - what you have put so far gives me hope
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Fran, welcome to OCF. Please start your own thread so it will get the full attention it deserves and not take away from this persons post.
If you have trismus, you must exercise your mouth or it will not improve. Open as wide as possible and hold it there for several seconds, repeat several times per day. Seeing a physical therapist will also help. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 19 Member | Member Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 19 | Hi,
I have had trismus since my radiation in '06 (full mouth - 66gy) for oral cancer. I'm at a about 1.5mm - unfortunately it was better in earlier years. I have used and continue to use Therabite system (oral/jaw stretcher) - if I don't use daily - it gets worse. I also tried Dynasplint (ENT recommended based on some patients favorable response) - but found it painful and quit after a couple of months. I don't really have pain from trismus (still alot of mucositis) but it is terribly limiting as far as eating - plus I can't eat anything spicy or crunchy (really miis the chips and crackers) - but of course very thankful to be alive. Hope this helps - good luck - keep trying with doctors'(ask your radiolist too) advise what will help you.
Jim04 - oral/gingival SCC in 2004; surgeries, radiation, 2 recurrences
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