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Tim has had 4 chemo sessions so far, the last one was on Wednesday. I took him to the ER for a fever at 1:00 today, as per our discharge instructions. They admitted him for the night to give him IV antibiotics. His blood work was "okay" (WBC=4.0) but they aren't sure why they can't get his fever to do down.

He has such a long way to go yet with his treatment, and I'm worried. His mouth is all torn up and he can barely eat. He's only had 11 radiations so far.

Did anyone else deal with extreme side effects so early in the game? I'm looking for a little reassurance that this does not mean he's going to be in the hospital every weekend! (and that he'll be able to continue with his treatment)

Thanks for all of your help.


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Diagnosed 7/15/08 with BOT SCC, stage IVa.
Two positive nodes removed
Cisplatin and erbitux ended 10/15/08
Radiation over 10/20/08
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Hi Wendy,

I start my rad Txs on the 16th of this month. My radiologist told me everybody responds to treatment differently. And that I should get a pretty good idea in the second to third week of Txs. He also said there is a possibility that it will be pure hell if not worse...not exactly what I wanted to hear. Your day 11 would fall in line with what was told to me.

The good news is that you're following your Doctors orders and took care of the situation. If he's not drinking a lot of water (48oz) and taking in 2000 to 3000 calories a day...Does he have a peg tube to help? I would definitely tell the treating physicians everything. Ensure, boost, VHC has a lot of calories. I used all of them when I was on a liquid diet...diluted all with vitamin D milk.

Good luck...others here will have more and better information to lay out for you...


7-16-08 age 37@Dx, T3N0M0 SCC 4.778cm tumor, left side of oral tongue, non smoker, casual drinker, I am the 4th in my family to have H&N cancer
8-13-08 left neck dissection and 40% of tongue removed, submandibular salivary gland & 14 nodes clean, no chemo, IMRTx35
11-4-08 Recovering & feeling better
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As Ray stated we all respond differently to treatment. There have been a few who had a more difficult time early in treatment, but it's not that common. He could have the flu or some other unrelated infection as well.


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Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2
Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy)
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It seem to be more normal to at least make it to the fourth week before having a significantly sore mouth.

You might ask for some liquid Lidocaine. I was prescribed this "just in case", but never needed it. Nevertheless, I understand it helps with eating when you have a sore mouth.

In week four I quit wanting to eat because of my taste bud. Does Tim have a PEG tube?


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TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary
FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm
PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm
HiRes CT 6/21/08
Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08
PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08
35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo
Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11

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Tim does have a PEG and I'm going to insist that he starts using it today. He's still in the hospital and they still haven't determined the reason for his fever, which has been going up and down (currently down and normal). He also has thrush (they've been pumping him full of antibiotics). He's 100% miserable and now I'm more worried because from the sound of your replies this is not "typical" at this point in treatment.

Ugh, is it 2009 yet? Time travel would be such a nice skill to have. :-(


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Diagnosed 7/15/08 with BOT SCC, stage IVa.
Two positive nodes removed
Cisplatin and erbitux ended 10/15/08
Radiation over 10/20/08
Back to work 11/24/08
PEG out 12/9/08
Scans 12/2008 and 3/2009 Clear
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Do make sure that he gets all the daily calories and water that his docs recommend and I hope they recommend at least 48 ozs of water and between 2000 and 3000 calories EACH and EVERY day BUT make sure that he continues to exercise his swallowing muscles. It doesn't take long without activity before they will just shut down and create problems post Tx.


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Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Wendy,

It does seem a little early for him to have all these problems but, everyone is different.

I had to take Bill to the hospital because of fever and neutropenia around week 5. Because of his immune suppression, he was placed in a private room and lots of gloving and masks for all who entered.

They never found a reason for the fever but he responded to antibiotics and fluids and it seemed that after his hospitalization he just simply got better even with another week of treatment, etc. I have theorized (this is just my opinion) that he had mouth sores that became infected and once those responded, he was so much better and was eating by mouth totally the second week after treatment.
Keep your chin up...it will be over soon and you will be on the recovery side of this mountain. David mentioned keeping his nutrition and fluids up...this is so important, so use that PEG to get the optimal amounts in every day (I charted it since it all becomes a blur after a while,) but also make sure he is swallowing a glass or bottle of something each day also -something that you can monitor.

Hugs, Deb


Deb..caregiver to husband, age 63 at diagnosis, former smoker who quit in 1997.
DIAGNOSIS: 6/26/07 SCC right tonsil/BOT T4N0M0
TREATMENT START: 8/9/07 cisplatin/taxol X 7..IMRT twice daily X 31.5.
TREATMENT END: 10/1/07
PEG OUT: 1/08
PORT OUT: 4/09
FOLLOWUP: Now only annual exams. ALL CLEAR!

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Thanks, everyone. He's still in the hospital. Major problems w/constipation right now. Too much info, sorry. His fever is down and they did not determine a cause, but your idea about the mouth sores could probably be true for him. His mouth is an absolute mess. We're waiting for the dietician to stop by so we can get started with the PEG, but I will do my best to make sure he continues to swallow. Poor guy.


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Diagnosed 7/15/08 with BOT SCC, stage IVa.
Two positive nodes removed
Cisplatin and erbitux ended 10/15/08
Radiation over 10/20/08
Back to work 11/24/08
PEG out 12/9/08
Scans 12/2008 and 3/2009 Clear
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Wendy . . . my mouth was in terrible shape after just 10 tx. Not typical but it does happen. I had to write notes to wife as I could barely talk. Had to forego tx for a few days to have peg put in. Thereafter poured in 2,500 cals a day of Jevity and also medications which I simply could not have swallowed. Your doctor should be on top of the "blockage" problem you noted as that is par for the course during this period of treatment. Very difficult to believe now but better days lie ahead. Keep the faith and best wishes to you two.


Bill . . . SCC - originated in right tonsil, drifted into neck ( 28 lymph nodes removed - one positive ). Radical neck dissection in September 07, completed 34 radiation tx on January 4, 2008. Used Peg. Non smoker, 61, good shape, no previous health issues. Second year PET scan - "all clear".
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Wendy-The mouth issues and fever can be side effects of the Erbitux. My husband had both these symptoms with it. He had Cisplatin with the rads first and had the Erbitux a few months later and had a much stronger response to it. Try to get your husband the liquid Senna. It is a vegetable laxative and can be put through the PEG. It has worked wonders. It's not too much info- so many people on this board have great remedies for such issues. Things WILL get better-hang in there!

Sue


cg to husband, 48 Stage 1V head and neck SCC. First surgery 9/07. Radiation and several rounds of chemo followed. Mets to chest and lungs. "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain." Went home to God on February 22, 2009.
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