#72741 04-09-2008 02:19 PM | Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 706 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 706 | I need a laugh and thought I'd try you. My brother in law called my husband today and told him about this great cancer doctor he heard about who was coming to our area this weekend. He told my husband that this guy cures cancer when other doctors have given up. Well against my better judgement I called the number he gave me and he is not a doctor but an herbalist. He went on to describe how he has cured cancer with diet and excercise. What next? Sue
cg to husband, 48 Stage 1V head and neck SCC. First surgery 9/07. Radiation and several rounds of chemo followed. Mets to chest and lungs. "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain." Went home to God on February 22, 2009.
| | | | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 | You can cut your inherent cancer risk by avoiding the obvious carcinogens and by proper nutrition. Even so, you still cause massive damage to your DNA every day by simply living. There is absolutely no way of reducing this risk to zero. Most of that damage gets repaired through normal body processes, and quite often the damage is not that critical, even when not repaired. Once in a while bad things happen and the damage occurs at a critical position, and is not repaired. Then the stuff hits the fan. This gets much worse if your body's repair system is not fully functional, as is the case in some people. The real question here is how many people have died because the believed the Rasputins and wasted valuable time in which they could have been treated. And yes, it would be nice to take a pill or two and a supplement and beat cancer! Some of the stuff you hear sounds outlandish like hyperthermia therapy for example (heating up the tissue) but it that particular case there is something to it. The point is to get accurate information from a reliable source. Do I take supplements now, avoid obvious carcinogens and exercise, absolutely. Would I go to a herbalist in case of a recurrence.... hell no. M http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Therapy/hyperthermia
Partial glossectomy (25%) anterior tongue. 4/6/07/. IMRT start @5/24/07 (3x) Erbitux start/end@ 5/24/07. IMRT wider field (30x) start 6/5/07. Weekly cisplatin (2x30mg/m2), then weekly carbo- (5x180mg/m2). End of Tx 19 July 07.
| | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 | Markus said it all..... Just think of this, if herbs alone could cure cancer, don't you think the half million plus cancer deaths a year in the US would be stopped if it was this easy? Is there a national conspiracy to hide the fact that herbs are all it takes to beat cancer? Too many people who are afraid of the treatments go this route until they find it isn't working, and it is then too late to switch treatments, with the disease more advanced. Supplementing your life with things that have proven efficacy from nature's abundance is a good thing, and you can bet that I take some supplements. But they are to maintain good health, and not as treatments for anything. This is all a function of separating people from their money more than curing cancer. People want easy, painless answers.... those on this board know that route does not exist.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | | | Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 706 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 706 | Thanks guys-I didn't want to be accused of being a naysayer but I can't believe people think there is an easy cure for this! Sue
cg to husband, 48 Stage 1V head and neck SCC. First surgery 9/07. Radiation and several rounds of chemo followed. Mets to chest and lungs. "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain." Went home to God on February 22, 2009.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | When word got out that I had cancer, I was besieged with well intended methods to get rid of my cancer without going thru radiation. Everything from fruits to liquids to body rubs to body cleansing to numerous web sites, etc. I just appeared interested, said thank you and did what my cancer docs said.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 341 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 341 | You know - what kills me, is I "get" the people manufacturing and marketing/selling this "crap" - they are in it for a profit. What I don't get is why friends/family (some of them) "insist" that this is the "end all be all" cancer cure. I mean are they obviously this stupid???
Sorry to sound so negative, but my BIL was driving me crazy with this kind of crap.
Michelle, CG to husband (45), DX 2/08 Stage IVa Adenocarcinoma Salivary Gland (T2N2bMO) Parotidectomy & ND 2/08, Tumor margins not clear, 4 of 30 nodes positve for cancer, TX IMRT 39x, cisplatin 7x (completed 5/1/08), PEG (4/22 - 7/9), No port. Currently in remission!
| | | | Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 939 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 939 | Michelle,
Do you think that if your BIL was personally faced with this dx that he would choose the form of treatment that he discusses with you?? It may be ignorance (in the true sense of the word) on his part, but given the same dx do you think he would research the "percentages," blindly ignore the docs, and go the herbal route??
Deb
Deb..caregiver to husband, age 63 at diagnosis, former smoker who quit in 1997. DIAGNOSIS: 6/26/07 SCC right tonsil/BOT T4N0M0 TREATMENT START: 8/9/07 cisplatin/taxol X 7..IMRT twice daily X 31.5. TREATMENT END: 10/1/07 PEG OUT: 1/08 PORT OUT: 4/09 FOLLOWUP: Now only annual exams. ALL CLEAR!
Passed away 1/7/17 RIP Bill
| | | | Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 706 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 706 | My husband feels that at least his brother was trying to help. I think I was more annoyed than he was. I don't know why I almost took it like maybe I should have thought of it. It was not intended that way I'm sure. Maybe I'm just really sensitive right now. My emotions are all over the place. I'm literally giving myself chest pains. I've always been pretty emotional even though most people don't see that side of me. Sue
cg to husband, 48 Stage 1V head and neck SCC. First surgery 9/07. Radiation and several rounds of chemo followed. Mets to chest and lungs. "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain." Went home to God on February 22, 2009.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Ive gotten my share of people being 'helpful' too. It seems there are so many 'sheep' out there who dont have a clue about cancer and are willing to believe what the quacks tell them. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 681 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 681 | Most people who offer these and other "crazy" cures really belive them and are trying to be helpful. Some people are just anti-doctor and will believe in any alternate form of healing without analyzing the source. They say that doctors are only interested in making money. Aren't we all?? It seems that ther crazier the idea, the more people believe in it without considering that other factors such as time. What brings out the Andy Rooney in me is people who complain about "chemicals." Why aren't they concerned about electrons and protons?? Why are only "natural" and "organic" products good for us?? Most poisons are from natural sources. What about addatives? Aren't vanilla, cinnamon, sugar, pepper, parsley, etc. addatives? One friend took her child to a chiropractor for reading problems. He happens to be very good at pain relief but this was really nuts. Another family had a child who began having what seemed to be severe asthma and finally at 17 years old took her to an allergist after she had several very severe attachs. She was allergic to peanuts and is now doing much better. I know a woman who was an engineer with NASA who saw a child get a severe injury and stop crying after the mother put a tablet in his mouth. She became interested and from there began following homopathic healing and stopped going to doctors. Intelligence and common sense are no match for someone who doesn't know how to think.
SCC stage II Partial mandibulectomy w. neck dissection- July 2005. Renal cancer w. partial nephrectomy-Jan 2004. Breast cancer discovered in routine mammogram. Successful lumpectomy, sentinal nodes clear, RT only-2008 Reconstruction of mandible w fibula free flap-Jan 09. TORS removal of begnin pappiloma from esophagus-2010. Masectomy,rt breast 2013. Support OCF
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