#59691 12-11-2006 12:34 AM | Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 12 Member | OP  Member
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 12 | I have some cases of Carnation, but don't see the VHC that everyone keeps mentioning. Mine are 250 calories each, & I can do 4 a day. I keep hearing about 2800 calories etc - are we drinking the same stuff?
Age 51, Squamous Cell Carcinoma, lymph node on left tonsil, 6 wks chemo - 7 wks radiation, treatments ended 12/1/06 (hopefully)....
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#59692 12-11-2006 02:22 AM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 493 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | | Platinum Member (300+ posts)
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The VHC stuff you get on-line or order through a pharmacy. It says 560cal right on the front of the can. Try going to Carnation site or doing a search on it in the forums there has been quite a bit of discussion about it in the past. But to answer your question it's not the same stuff.
Tim
Tim Stoj
60 yr old. Dx Jun 06 with BOT Stage IV. Neck dissesction on 19 Jun 06. Started Tx on 21 Aug 06/completed 33 IMRTs and 3 CT (2 Cisplat & 1 Carboplat) on 5 Oct 06.
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#59693 12-11-2006 07:17 AM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts)
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I still drink the VHC to supplement my daily calories. I get mine through Walgrens or CVS pharmacy. They order it by the case and it only takes a day to get it. It only comes in Vanilla but I'm used to the taste. Sometimes I add milk and drink it with lunch or dinner. YUM, LOL
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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#59694 12-12-2006 04:28 AM | Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 12 Member | | OP Member
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 12 | Thanks, I did go get a couple cases of the VHC yesterday. It seems to be very slow going thru the IV though, is that normal?
Age 51, Squamous Cell Carcinoma, lymph node on left tonsil, 6 wks chemo - 7 wks radiation, treatments ended 12/1/06 (hopefully)....
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#59695 12-12-2006 06:50 AM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts)
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I never tried it through an IV but I often mix it equal parts with milk. That makes it less thick and I assume would go through the IV quicker but with equal milk you have twice as much to go through so it might take the same amount of time.
For a while I couldn't tolerate cold so I drank it room temp. I assume that room temp might not be as thick as a cold can so that may help.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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#59696 12-12-2006 11:05 AM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 493 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | | Platinum Member (300+ posts)
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Never put mine through the PEG. I know it's thick though. As bad as my throat got I struggled to swallow the VHC.
Tim Stoj
60 yr old. Dx Jun 06 with BOT Stage IV. Neck dissesction on 19 Jun 06. Started Tx on 21 Aug 06/completed 33 IMRTs and 3 CT (2 Cisplat & 1 Carboplat) on 5 Oct 06.
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#59697 12-12-2006 12:31 PM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3 Member | | Member
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I am starting my 4th week out of treatment.
I put my VHC thru a PEG. It takes longer, but not that long. I couldn't find it where I live, but found it on the internet for $22.50 If you order 4 cases they ship free. If the can is real cold,try warming it in water first.I can't take it orally yet because my tongue is still too sensetive
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Paul
68 yrs old. Scc of the left tonsil, Stage 2/3. 50 IMRTs with Chemo. | | |
#59698 12-12-2006 05:32 PM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts)
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 | You could try 3\4 TUBE OF vhc and 1\4 tube water at a time, the water will give you extra hydration and will make the VHC go down easier. Amy
CGtoJohn:SCC Flr of Mouth.Dx 3\05. Surg.4\05.T3NOMO.IMRTx30. Recur Dx 1\06.Surg 2\06. Chemo: 4 Cycles of Carbo\Taxol:on Erbitux for 7 mo. Lost our battle 2-23-07- But not the will to fight this disease
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