#55677 10-26-2004 12:48 PM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 218 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 218 | Hi, I'm now 5 months post radiation and went to see my periodontist for a cleaning and to assess the impact that radiation had on my gums. It seems the combination of gingival and periodontic disease plus radiation had caused some of my gums to recede significantly. My periodontist suggested a gum graft to build them back up again, the target area is a location that was part of the radiation field.
During my 6 week check up with my ENT doctor, I asked about doing a gum graft on radiated tissue and he said it was a bad idea, that radiation reduces the blood flow to tissue and that increases the chances that a graft would fail. I then asked my oncologist the same question and got the opposite response, that blood flow to radiated tissue is at its greates in the 3-6 months post radiation and decreases from there. My question is whether any of you have had a gum graft or other graft procedure performed on radiated tissue and if so, what your experience has been. Thanks, Sheldon
Dx 1/29/04, SCC, T2N0M0 Tx 2/12/04 Surgery, 4/15/04 66 Gy. radiation (36 sessions) Dx 3/15/2016, SCC, pT1NX Tx 3/29/16 Surgery
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#55678 10-26-2004 03:26 PM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 | Sheldon,
I've had gum grafts post-radiation, but not so soon after (as I recall, I had at least a few years between radiation and the first graft). It was done by the same oral surgeon who diagnosed my cancer and who assisted in my glossectomy and neck dissection, and I know he took a lot of precautions in doing the graft because of my history. I had no problems with it, and it was relatively successful.
As it happens, I just had a visit with the periodontist today, because the area around my upper wisdom tooth (on the side that had most of the radiation) has been showing significant degradation of the bone. Right now they're using antibiotic therapy in that region in the hope that it won't become necessary to pull the tooth.
Cathy
Tongue SCC (T2M0N0), poorly differentiated, diagnosed 3/89, partial glossectomy and neck dissection 4/89, radiation from early June to late August 1989
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#55679 10-28-2004 10:29 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Sheldon,
I wasn't sure from your post if your periodontist has significant experience with post-radiation dental issues. If not, get a referral to one and get another opinion. I have heard you have to wait from my ENT and my dental surgeon that specializes in cancer patients.
Ed
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
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#55680 10-28-2004 12:25 PM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 44 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 44 | Sheldon- Ditto on what Ed said about discussing further with a dentist/maxillofacial surgeon regarding latent effects of radiation on such tender tissue. You want to do everything you can to avoid infection and/or decay/caries. I work for a dentist and we have - only recently - seen alarming increases in osteomyalitis and one case of soft tissue radionecrosis. Super important thing to do for the rest of your life no matter what - even if it means going to a dental college for a "cheap" cleaning. Be diligent about cleanings/prophies. Three months is the absolute longest you should go. Change the way you brush or what you brush with. A SoniCare toothbrush vibrates and their heads are very soft but effective. The vibration actually helps increase - sort of like massaging - your gums. DO NOT saw back and forth with a regular toothbrush as that pushes the gum further back. The SoniCare can be gently moved without the standard brushing motion. Depending on the doctor/dentist they may or may not based on the nuances of your situation, recommend use of a water pic (on the lowest setting available) to rinse debris out of the gingival pocket that might be missed when flossing (which should be done diligently, too). Hopefully you use Prevident or fluoride trays nightly. Little things that make a huge difference! Do I sound like your mom? Now go pick up the towel off the bathroom floor, young man! Hugs and kisses! Susan
Caregiver to Uptown/Ed, SCC Stage IV, Base of tongue - Completed Chemo (Cisplatnin/5FU) and 45 days' simultaneous Radiation 10/08/03
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#55681 10-28-2004 02:09 PM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 218 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 218 | Hi Susan, Thanks for the advice. I've done pretty much what you've suggested. I switched periodontists after my surgery to one who is more experienced with patients post-radiation. Problem is that in a small rural area, that may not be much experience. I've asked the ENT in Boston and the periodontist in Burlington, VT to talk among themselves and come to some conclusion. I'm scheduled for a cleaning every 3 months. I use an Oral-B electric brush, have one at work for after lunch and have gotten very religious about flossing, brushing and using a rubber tipped thingy to massage my gums after every meal. I'm using Biotene toothpaste rather than Prevident since Prevident is a little too abrasive for me just yet.
Since I've done everything you've asked, can I have dessert now? can I? (if only I could taste it!) Best to you and Ed - Sheldon
Dx 1/29/04, SCC, T2N0M0 Tx 2/12/04 Surgery, 4/15/04 66 Gy. radiation (36 sessions) Dx 3/15/2016, SCC, pT1NX Tx 3/29/16 Surgery
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