| Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 126 Senior Member (100+ posts) | OP Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 126 | Hello! I know that dental care/fluoride treatment has been discussed a lot on this forum, but I have kind of a general question I'm hoping someone could help me with. The dental oncologist prescribed me to just use the Gel-Kam fluoride daily (in dental trays) for life. I am approaching 2 years post treatment, and so far I haven't had any real dental issues, aside from a couple of small cavities. However, I noticed the amount of fluoride in the treatment is actually very low (on par with the amount in my toothpaste), and I have seen other people on the forum discuss that Gel-Kam isn't enough. I also get pretty bad dry mouth, especially at night. My question is this: if I haven't had any issues so far, should I assume that it's working for me and not worry about changing to prescription, or is the tooth decay a very gradual thing that could already be happening now, and I need to switch ASAP? My dentist said my teeth look good and when I asked him about switching, he said it wasn't necessary. However, he is not a dental oncologist so I figured I would consult with my team of experts here before I push the issue further Thank you!
Emily - 24 years old at diagnosis HPV-, no risk factors T2N2b Squamous Cell Carcinoma Left oral tongue, poorly differentiated Hemiglossectamy, reconstruction, partial neck dissection 30 Radiation treatments, weekly chemo (cisplatin) 1/13/12 last day of treatment Diagnosed October 2011
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Always remember that we are not doctors of any kind just battle tested survivors. With that in mind I would seek out a dental oncologist if you question the advice of your regular dentist. I was told by my dentist that I could stop using my trays after 5 years. My teeth were good before Tx and have remained so 7 years post Tx.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 126 Senior Member (100+ posts) | OP Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 126 | Thanks David that's good to hear! My teeth were very good before also - I wasn't sure if it was possible for teeth to remain healthy after treatment. Being 24 at diagnosis - trays every day for the rest of my life is a long time. I know I need to see a dental oncologist, finding the time is just difficult these days.
Emily - 24 years old at diagnosis HPV-, no risk factors T2N2b Squamous Cell Carcinoma Left oral tongue, poorly differentiated Hemiglossectamy, reconstruction, partial neck dissection 30 Radiation treatments, weekly chemo (cisplatin) 1/13/12 last day of treatment Diagnosed October 2011
| | | | Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,406 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,406 | Emily, I sympathize with you at your age even though it's been awhile since I was anywhere near it. My dentist (good one so I've always thought, but not a specialist) has indicated to me that in his opinion I only need to use the trays a few times a week. The rest of the time I could just brush with the Prevident, which is what I use. However my RO said to continue with the nightly trays. I'll ask her again (RO) when I go in for my 5 year checkup, which should be in the next few months. In these matters I tend to defer to her as she's always been right and takes things conservatively. My fellow David's advice above is as always spot on.
David 2 SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 14 years all clear in 6/23 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
| | | | Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 756 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 756 Likes: 1 | Emily,
Perhaps being 24 at diagnosis is one reason why you want to take extra special care of you teeth now and continue with the fluoride trays. Radiation does a lot of damage to your mouth, teeth and jaw and it can take years to show up. Dry mouth can lead to more cavities and you mentioned you've had a few small ones (I assuming since RT?).
Everyone is different, so what happens to one person can be totally different that what happens to you. I would continue the trays and toothpaste for now, but discuss more with your doctors.
Susan
SCC R-Lateral tongue, T1N0M0 Age 47 at Dx, non-smoker, casual drinker, HPV- Surgery: June 2005 RT: Feb-Apr 2006 HBOT: 45 in 2008; 30 in 2013; 30 in 2022 -> Total 105! Recurrence/Surgeries: Jan & Apr 2010 Biopsy 2/2011: Moderate dysplasia Surgery 4/2011: Mild dysplasia Dental issues: 2013-2022 (ORN)
| | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,291 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,291 Likes: 1 | Trays - One comment I've heard about fluoride trays is they may not be all that effective at minimizing dental cavities in post rad patients.
The rational goes most of post rad tx cavities hit along the gumline. The trays put fluoride on the top surface of the tooth so it might not be helping the area of cavity formation.
Where I am on this topic is to focus primarily on the teeth along the gumline and the gums themselves, rather than the other parts of the teeth. My routine is to brush first with a regular toothpast, then waterpik thoroughly, then come back with a brushing using prescription fluoride paste. Leave it in my mouth then proceed to bed.
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 | Don, I had demineralization, white specks, which are pre-cavities, which started mainly on the tips and middle of the teeth, and then progressed from there to break, chip, wear down to the gum line, in a relatively short time. Now they're more near the gum line with no tooth left. I think enamel, acid erosion was a factor too, as well as chemo, radiation, illnesses, and my medicine regimens, that played in deterioration of my teeth, so was maybe multifactoral, and not just from radiation.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,291 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,291 Likes: 1 | Paul,
It is great having your wisdom here but your case is so far beyond what 99% experience and the battery of therapies, I doubt there is a single breathing research scientist who would be able to draw any conclusion about anything from you. LOL
Except maybe that the glowing comes from radiation therapies. :-)
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 | I only had radiation to my mouth once, at 70Gy, in 2011. The rest afterwrds was only to my cervical neck, so that didn't effect my teeth any further.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 126 Senior Member (100+ posts) | OP Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 126 | Thanks for all of the insight. One question I have always wondered is whether it is possible for the effects of radiation to be reversed at all since I got radiation at such a young age (and thus my body is more able to regenerate), or if they will just be even worse for me since I have to live with them for so long. I tried to ask my ENT one time, but he kind of just said we would worry about side effects when and if they happen. Does anyone know if any studies about this?
Emily - 24 years old at diagnosis HPV-, no risk factors T2N2b Squamous Cell Carcinoma Left oral tongue, poorly differentiated Hemiglossectamy, reconstruction, partial neck dissection 30 Radiation treatments, weekly chemo (cisplatin) 1/13/12 last day of treatment Diagnosed October 2011
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