| Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 21 Member | OP Member Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 21 | Thanks for the feedback. Some answers: -she is being treated at a CCC - Dana Farber in Boston. -We are waiting results for HPV. The doctors tell us that the results will not change their treatment recommendations. - The team (after the tumor board review) has given us the two options and say that the end result will be the same. This gives me great comfort that we cannot make a wrong decision. It's up to us to make the choice. Needless to say, the surgeon is pro surgery, and the chemo onc. prefers the non-surgical option! -The options: -surgical option: surgery+chemo+rad -non-surgical: chemo+rad, with a 33% chance of need surgery post-treatment. Of course, we feel a lot of pressure to make a decision very soon. If she goes the non-surgical route, then we have the rad dry run on Thursday and chemo the following Monday.
Little Bird, CG to mother, diagnosed March 15, 2013, age 70, non-smoker, non-drinker BOT, HPV+ Cisplatin and 35 days of radiation, completed June 13, 2013. Looks like they got it all. (knock on wood) | | | | Joined: May 2012 Posts: 162 Likes: 1 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: May 2012 Posts: 162 Likes: 1 | I know every case is different, but for what it's worth, my husband was a chemo, then chemo/radiation patient, with surgery left on the table as a possibilty, if needed. He's one of the lucky ones, the chemo/rad's worked very well (2 clear scans, knock on wood). It's our understanding that what really works to kill this cancer is not the chemo (only shrinks), but the radiation.
Have the explained the risks to you of going both ways? My husband had the same 2 options, although from 2 different institutions, and the chances of survival were the same either way. My thoughts are if you're at a really good CCC, let them try to get it with the chemo/rad, then use surgery as a salvage treatment, hopefully avoiding the further insult of surgery.
wife/caregiver to Vince, dx 4/12 Stage IV BOT HPV+ SCC, poorly diff.; T4N2cMo; U of C; Clinical trial, Everolimus; 6 wks ind. chemo (Cetuximab, Cisplatin & Taxol), 50 x IMRT, 75 gy chemorad w/5FU, Hydrea & Taxol; 5 years out, thankfully still NED
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | Hi little bird, the difference that HPV and non HPV status makes is this. HPV cancers respond well to rads and chemo, and non HPV cancers are often best dealt with by using surgery, then rads and chemo - just because non HPV cancers can be more aggressive. Take care.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 493 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 493 | I actually found that the surgery was a piece of cake compared to the rads and chemo, but mine was negative for HPV.
Female, nonsmoker, 70, diag. 5/09 after tongue biopsy: stage IV. Left hemi-gloss. and left selec. neck disec. 30 lymph nodes removed May 20. Over 7 weeks daily rads. with three chemo. PEG removed 12/4/09 Am eating mostly soft foods. Back to work 11/09 Retired 4/1/11. 7 clear scans! Port out 9/11. 2/13. It's back: base of tongue, very invasive surgery involving lifestyle changes. 2/14: Now speaking w/Passey-Muir valve. Considering a swallow study. Grateful to be alive.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 381 "OCF Canuck" Platinum Member (300+ posts) | "OCF Canuck" Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 381 | I was also HPV negative. The reason why they gave me the rad option was that the tumor was entirely removed with clear margins in the tongue and all of the nodes removed through the neck dissection came back negative for cancer. My surgeon never anticipated that rads would not be necessary as my PET was positive on both sides of my neck for lymph node involvement (turns out a false positive). At the end of the day, your mom will have to weigh the pros and cons of each option, but I feel very fortunate to not have had to go through radiation. Good luck!
Tina Diag: Aug. 13/12 T3N0M0 50% + glossectomy and bilateral radical neck dissection, removal of nodes zones I - V Surgery October 11/12 Chemo/rad on hold due to clear margins and nodes Sept 21/13 clear CT with anomaly thought to be the artery, being watched closely. Dec 16/13 - anomaly confirmed artery, all clear nickname: "get 'r done" Plans: kick cancer's butt
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | Ditto what Tina said... surgery is a much easier recovery than rads and chemo, and the long lasting effects of rads and chemo are way more difficult than the tightness, and arm weakness from surgery. Both of which will change over time with therapy. Take care.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | I really doubt it will be HPV+ and if that's the case I would treat this as aggressively as possible.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | Ditto.... If it's not HPV... surgery then rads and chemo is best.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: May 2010 Posts: 638 "OCF Down Under" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "OCF Down Under" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2010 Posts: 638 | Hi LB
I personally hate it when doctors who are supposed to be experts give you options like this - as if you have any chance of making an informed decision. I have no problem with the doctors stating the options provided they THEN tell you what they, the experts think.
My suggestion is if your mother doesn't have a very strong preference and you are all unsure, that you ask the doctor what he would recommend if it was his mother sitting in the chair.
Karen Love of Life to Alex T4N2M0 SCC Tonsil, BOT, R lymph nodes Dx March 2010 51yrs. Unresectable. HPV+ve Tx Chemo x 3+1 cycles(cisplatin,docetaxel,5FU)- complete May 31 Chemoradiation (IMRTx35 + weekly cisplatin) Finish Aug 27 Return to work 2 years on 3 years out Aug 27 2013 NED Still underweight
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