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#157428 11-11-2012 09:47 AM
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I will acknowledge that I am not the most patient person on the planet, however, I am getting aggravated by the swelling on my "new tongue" that seems to have hit stasis, and does not appear to be decreasing.

What was everyone else's experience with the flap swelling? I am 50% new and 50% old.


Tina
Diag: Aug. 13/12
T3N0M0
50% + glossectomy and bilateral radical neck dissection, removal of nodes zones I - V
Surgery October 11/12
Chemo/rad on hold due to clear margins and nodes
Sept 21/13 clear CT with anomaly thought to be the artery, being watched closely.
Dec 16/13 - anomaly confirmed artery, all clear
nickname: "get 'r done"
Plans: kick cancer's butt
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Tina, swelling can take months to go down. Its been only about a month since your surgery so it will get better. Did you have a free flap? If so all that tissue takes a long time to settle down. I know it stinks! I had a different type of surgery, my lower half of my jaw removed and I had terrible swelling for the first few months. My doc told me with invasive surgeries it can take a full year for someone to adjust. After a year they can go in a 'debulk' things. So give it time and if it still seems too big in a few months speak to your doc about thinning it out.

Best wishes!


Christine
SCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44
2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07
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Christine, thanks, but I was hoping for a bit more specific.

Any tongue cancer folks want to weigh in on this in their experience?

I realize everyone is different, but I see many similarities on other issues, so I am hoping to get a better range.

I know this may not seem important in the scheme of things, but focusing on these types of things helps me stay positive and not thinking about the hard stuff still to come.


Tina
Diag: Aug. 13/12
T3N0M0
50% + glossectomy and bilateral radical neck dissection, removal of nodes zones I - V
Surgery October 11/12
Chemo/rad on hold due to clear margins and nodes
Sept 21/13 clear CT with anomaly thought to be the artery, being watched closely.
Dec 16/13 - anomaly confirmed artery, all clear
nickname: "get 'r done"
Plans: kick cancer's butt
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I have had tongue cancer twice with two surgeries. Yes, the swelling does go down - eventually but then seemingly for no reason you will get a bout of "football tongue". Go figure. You should also be exercising what tongue you have left, and my speech pathologist said the best exercises are eating and talking. Try to accept that this is going to be a variable condition.

Having said that, keep an eye out for swelling and pain - get that checked right away and nexttime you see your oncologists tell them about the swelling, but I am quite sure you will hear the same words Christine offered about a short time from surgery.

Hope you see some improvement in the next month or two.

Hugs

Donna


Donna,69, SCC L Tongue T2N1MO Stg IV 4/04 w/partial gloss;32 radtx; T2N2M0 Stg IV; R tongue-2nd partial gloss w/graft 10/07; 30 radtx/2 cispl 2/08. 3rd Oral Cancer surgery 1/22 - Stage 1. 2022 surgery eliminated swallowing and bottom left jaw. Now a “Tubie for Life”.no food envy - Thank God! Surviving isn't easy!!!! .Proudly Canadian - YES, UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS WONDERFUL! (Not perfect but definitely WONDERFUL)
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I understand that you are concerned but as has been pointed out by Christine and Donna your surgery is recent.
I also had the debulking and even liposuction done on the flap after everything had settled around the 12 month�s mark. Mine is around 1/3 flap and as was pointed out the surgeons can take away but not put back.
Even now after 6 years it feels a little swollen for various reasons including when I am stressed, tired, have not had any hydration for a while, first thing in the morning and when I actually think about it. Don�t notice it at all when I am preoccupied with something else.
Also hoping it improves with time but make sure you mention it at your visits.
Gabriele


History Leukoplakia bx 8/2006 SCC floor mouth T3N0M0- Verrucous Carcinoma.
14 hour 0p SCC-Right ND/excision/marginal mandibulectomy 9/2006, 4 teeth removed, flap from wrist, trach-ng 6 days- no chemo/rad.
6 ops and debulking (flap/tongue join) + bx's 2006-2012.
bx Jan 2012 Hyperkeratosis-Epithelial Dysplasia
24cm GIST tumour removed 8/2013. Indefinite Oral Chemo.

1/31/16 passed away peacefully surrounded by family

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Thanks guys, there is no pain, and the swelling hasn't gotten more, just doesn't seem to be dropping as it was. I'll raise it Thursday with the doc, and get his take.

I have been talking up a storm and telling everyone it's doctors orders. As a lawyer there is really no possibility of shutting me up, so no worries there (get it - no worries - Gabrielle is in Australia ...) ok that was a bit lame. I'm running low on good material, must be tired.

I'll keep everyone posted later this week.


Tina
Diag: Aug. 13/12
T3N0M0
50% + glossectomy and bilateral radical neck dissection, removal of nodes zones I - V
Surgery October 11/12
Chemo/rad on hold due to clear margins and nodes
Sept 21/13 clear CT with anomaly thought to be the artery, being watched closely.
Dec 16/13 - anomaly confirmed artery, all clear
nickname: "get 'r done"
Plans: kick cancer's butt
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Hi Tina,

The surgeons always make the 'flap' larger than what the actual tongue was.

This is because the flap shrinks quite considerably when you start radiotherapy, and returns to a 'normal' size.

Hence, I am assuming that it is not the actual swelling (as you would notice pain if that was the case) but intentionally cut large having factored in Radiotherapy.

Jen had the same issue before treatment started, and the size of the tongue & flap is now on par with a normal tongue.

Hope that helps.

Jay


6/8/12: Wife 33y/o with no risk dx with Stage IVa SCC L of Tongue(T4aN2bM0)
3/9/12: Induced birth @ 36 weeks - Baby Hunter!
11/9/12: OP - 3/4 Partial Gloss, Radical ND & Tongue Rec.
24/10/12: 33xRad + 7xChemo
7/12/12: Tx complete
21/3/13 & 21/6/13: NED
24/7/13: SCC in Lungs - OP: Lobectomy (VATS)
29/1/14 passed away
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Hi Tina, I also had 50+% of my tongue removed and reconstructed. The first couple months after surgery, I felt like my flap was huge! i was constantly biting on it in my sleep, which turned into a whole different issue I won't bore you with at this time! Anyway, everyone kept telling me how good looking my flap was (which my family and I always liked to joke about, wondering what a bad flap would look like), but it still felt huge. Doctors kept telling me the flap would shrink once I had radiation, but I was skeptical.

Well, it ended up shrinking a ton! I wish I had a little more flap now, as I can't stick my tongue out past my teeth line.

One more positive thing to look forward to, is the color of it eventually changed to the color of my real tongue! If it wasn't for the crease down the middle of my tongue (which my surgeon has told me he can fix, but I am not ready for it yet), my tongue looks somewhat normal.

Good luck! Feel free to send me a PM if you want to talk about any specifics, since it seems your diagnosis and surgery were very similar to mine.


Emily - 24 years old at diagnosis
HPV-, no risk factors
T2N2b Squamous Cell Carcinoma
Left oral tongue, poorly differentiated
Hemiglossectamy, reconstruction, partial neck dissection
30 Radiation treatments, weekly chemo (cisplatin)
1/13/12 last day of treatment
Diagnosed October 2011
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I'm assuming you had a neck dissection. That comes into play as well. Lymphedema aslo causes a back up of fluid. Eventually as new pathways develop (most likely with the help of lymphatic massage) it will not be as swollen. I also finds it responds to exercise... Increased circulation.. and certain foods set it off.
:o)Also sleep position!


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Yep, bilateral radical neck dissection. I have major neck swelling, and numb in both ears, entire neck and tops of shoulders. I'll be talking to the doc about lymphatic massage.

What foods help?

What sleep position?

I am motivated to do anything to improve my status. I am anal about my physio, and have recouped a lot of my range of motion already.

Impart your wisdom sensei and this grasshopper will listen!


Tina
Diag: Aug. 13/12
T3N0M0
50% + glossectomy and bilateral radical neck dissection, removal of nodes zones I - V
Surgery October 11/12
Chemo/rad on hold due to clear margins and nodes
Sept 21/13 clear CT with anomaly thought to be the artery, being watched closely.
Dec 16/13 - anomaly confirmed artery, all clear
nickname: "get 'r done"
Plans: kick cancer's butt
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