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#110856 01-22-2010 10:22 AM
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I am hopeful I can get my husband to read some of your posts and realize HE IS NOT ALONE... He has 14 radiation treatments down, 18 to go, won't eat or drink anything, has IV fluids every other day, sleeps pretty constantly and is scheduled to see about having a G Tube placed next week. Claims he isn't in any pain currently, just depresed about the phlegm and overall ickyness of EVERYTHING. He says his fatigue is unimaginable. Gags/spits constantly and can't swallow anything including liquid meds.



Shannon (35)CG to Husband Jim (42)
DX 11/13/09 SCC - BOT T2N2b
33 XMRT 12/29/09 - 02/10/10
3 treatments Cisplatin 12/28/09, 01/18/10 & scheduled for 02/08/10
PEG Consult 01/25/10
Follow up CT scheduled for 04/08/10
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I remember exactly where he is at. At 3 weeks left of radiation I crashed. Phlegm made sleeping longer that 15 minutes impossible and fatigue was consuming. Luckily I had a PEG and my husband "fed" me and pushed my meds through the PEG. I also did not have pain. Just get through it. It is almost over, about two weeks after it is over it turned around for me. I left on a trip 20 days after treatment ended and felt better each day. I am now 8 months after treatment and I feel great.


DX 2/10/09; Stage 1 SCC side of tongue; Partial Gloss; PEG in 3/3/09; 3 Cisplatin; 35 IMRT; PEG out 7/17/09; Eating via mouth and walking 3 miles/day 4 wks after treatment end. 50 pound weight loss; Clear PET 09/09 and 09/10
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Welcome to the board, Shannon. I hope you get Jim to take a look. It really does help seeing how others have gotten on with life after those brutal treatments.


David R. 65 yr old male non-smoker, light drinker, stage 3 or 4, depending on which doc you ask, scc rt. tonsil, 2 nodes, 7 weeks radiation and chemo. No surgery. Teatment ended 3/20/08. PET scan 8/08 showed no cancer.
And now, as of oct, 2010, caregiver to wife, Linda, with breast cancer.
May, 2013, Linda diagnosed with stage 3 ovarian cancer. Enuf already.
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Shannon,

I'm three months out and feeling a great deal better. I remember those radiation days very well. Lots of sleep and laying in bed which is ok from here on out. Keep the nutrition and hydration up even when he hates it. It will give him the strength he will need to finish.

No pain is good....Have Jim read and post here if he wants. It's the only place I found where people understood what I was up against.

Kelly


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48, SCC (Soft Palet) Rt.,
Stage 1, T3n0m0,
Dx, 8-09, Start IMRT 35 9-2-09 end 10-21-09
04-20-10 NED
8-11 recurrence, node rt. neck N2b
10-11 33 IMRT w/chemo wkly
3-12-12 PET - residual cancer
4-12 5 treatments with Cyberknife & Erbitux
6-19-12 Pet scan CLEAR
12-3-12 PET - CLEAR
Kelly211 #110867 01-22-2010 02:40 PM
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I am just about 2 1/2 yrs since the 1st surgery and I am just now getting my energy back and feel great. As for the phlem, I just spent 2 hrs in a new type MRI and they did it 7 times. The phlem was so bad I had to swallow and not one pic came out. I understand about eating, but it's something that has to be to survive. Get you nan on here to read what others go thru and maybe he will realize he ain't alone.


Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April.
--- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
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Shannon,

It is imperative that you MAKE him, if necessary, consume 3000 cals and 48ozs of water each and every day EVEN if he is getting the IV's.

Speaking from painful experience here, if he thinks it's bad now he will make it far far worse by not keeping up with my recommendation above.

He will go thru a few stages including the thick stuff which will give way to a dry mouth condition but tell him this is all just part of the Tx.


David

Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Hi Shannon

Welcome to OCF. If your husband doesnt want to get online, you can always print these out for him. He is at the middle point where he is starting to see the effects of treatment.

You have been given some very good advice from David about drinking and nutrition. Thats what will make the difference in his capability to bounce back. He really must drink a few swallows daily or it will be so much worse down the road. Another very important thing most doctors dont tell people is to stretch their mouth open as wide as possible several times per day.

He must get nourishment daily somehow, this is one reason he feels so bad. If he isnt taking anything in, he will end up malnourished and dehydrated which will put him in the hospitil. He will feel much better once he increases his intake.

Musinex will help with the phlem. Meds can go down the PEG tube just make sure you rinse it before and after giving meds. Hope he gets the peg tube very soon.

Best of luck with everything.



Christine
SCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44
2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07
-65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr
Clear PET 1/08
4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I
surg 4/16/08 clr marg
215 HBO dives
3/09 teeth out, trismus
7/2/09 recur, Stg IV
8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy
3wks medicly inducd coma
2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit
PICC line IV antibx 8 mo
10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg
OC 3x in 3 years
very happy to be alive smile
ChristineB #110898 01-23-2010 01:08 PM
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Christine, I was taking mucinex and the Drs told me to stop it for some reason. I hope her husband can take it as you are right a rain in what you say. Listen to Christine and the others. We have all been where he is and survived with some types of nourishments.


Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April.
--- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
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Hey Shannon,

Good advice above and there is a light at the end of the tunnel for Jim. I was able to stay on my feet, doing lectures and odd tasks up until the half way point, then I climbed into this lazy boy chair and didn't move except to go in to the clinic and the dentist.

The pain I had was SWALLOWING and a horrible mouth. Onery as they come, I started to hit the pain meds hard just before umm "meals". Not even water would go in without morphine. Only once needed IV fluids that I recall. Using a vaporizer seemed to help keep the airways clear. Tell Jim "Just say YES to da drugs" if he will feel more comfortable.

By mid summer I was DRAGGING myself around the Cascades with a chainsaw helping an old friend clear downed trees. Complete with suspenders and bailing wire, cuz I didn't own pants that I could keep up, not even the ones from high school!

Almost 3 years since DX now and things still improve. Not back to normal, but getting close. People walk up to me on the street to say "Whoa, I heard you died! But here you are, and look pretty good too."

Eating better and gaining weight, finally thinking about scrounging up cash to hide in the mountians for a while this summer... However, the endurance and strength haven't quite returned, yet.

Now if it would help, I could put on a cheer leader outfit, dance around and cheer: Go Jim! Go Jim! Go Jim! ... But I think if YOU did that, it would be a much better visual for him. [{;-)


ENT conjectures before, no PET approved by HMO. Metastasis 11/06. CT 2/07: mass RT sub-mandibular gland. 7 CM mass/tonsil, base of tongue removed, biopsies 2/07 and 3/07. Vein lost, RT face numb. PET scan: spot in chest, un-investigated. Oral surgery 4/07. 3X Cisplatin and 32X IMRT from 4/07-5/07.
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Hi Shannon and welcome to OCF. I hope your husband considers checking out the posts here. I know when I realized I wasn't alone it changed everything for me... I felt so much better. I have not had radiation but I know from reading here it is so important that gets calories and water.

I've had 4 partial glossectomies and after my 3rd I hardly ate or drank anything. It just hurt too much and I was mad. When I went to the doc for my follow up he said, you either drink at least 6 cans of Ensure a day and a lot of water or I will keep you in the hospital. As soon as I started to "eat" I felt much better and started to heal much fatser. I know my story is on a lesser scale but I think the fundamentals are the same. Our bodies need nutrition and water. Does your husband have a PEG?

If your husband isn't up to getting on the computer at least you are here. The caregivers need as much support as the patients.



Suzanne
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T1 SCC on right side of tongue
Age 31...27 when diagnosed
4 partial glossectomies
No chemo or radiation
Biopsy on 2/2/10-Clear
Surgery needed again...no later than April 2011
Loving life and just became a mother on 11/25/10
It's not what we CAN'T do..it's what we CAN do:)
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