Posted By: EileenL So glad I found you! - 10-02-2019 03:25 AM
My husband was diagnosed with stage 3 squamous cell carcinoma at the base of his tongue in March. On May 7, doctors at University of Pennsylvania performed a near total glossectomy with a total neck dissection removing all the lymph nodes in his neck, part of the pharynx and one tonsil. Thankfully, his lymph nodes were all clear but there is perineural invasion and what the docs called a focal point on the roof of his mouth. Bob was in the hospital for 10 days and then came home with a trach - that is some scary stuff! But it's amazing what you learn to deal with when you have to. Six weeks after surgery, he started six weeks of radiation and had chemo once a week (cisplatin). The last two weeks of radiation were so difficult for him and he did end up in the hospital once with a neutropenic fever but thankfully he made it through. I am still amazed at how long the radiation side effects last. Bob compared it to putting a piece of meat in the microwave and how they always tell you to let it stand for 2 minutes when it's done cooking. His oncologist laughed out loud at the analogy. He can make jokes about it once in a while but I know that inside he's still hurting and scared. He has lymphadema in his neck which makes sleeping difficult which makes him cranky. He's started therapy for that but it's slow going and sometimes I can almost hear his frustration. But I think the thing he's really having a hard time with is eating. He's not been allowed anything by mouth since the surgery until last week when he was given the okay for sipping clear liquids. Almost five months without eating. I would have lost my mind four months ago! He's been seeing a wonderful speech therapist and has definitely made progress but I worry that he won't make enough progress and the PEG will become permanent. I know that was not anything he ever thought was possible and he misses eating along with the social side of things. Our lives have changed so much but I am so thankful he is still here. We have three children who are all grown and independent and I thought now would be when we could really start having fun. I know a lot of people have to deal with these issues and much worse but sometimes, like tonight, I feel a little sorry for myself. I'm sure tomorrow will be a better day.
Posted By: cougardad62 Re: So glad I found you! - 10-02-2019 09:51 AM
The PEG is a lifesaver.... take things a day at a time!!! Any questions ask....
Posted By: ArdenDD Re: So glad I found you! - 10-02-2019 03:49 PM
So much of what you have written resonates with me. My husband has had a peg since mid-July and we are still waiting for radiation effects to dissipate so he can swallow once again. It’s hard to watch your loved one go thru this and we also miss being able to have a meal together and enjoy family gatherings around food. Hang in there — we look for bright spots as they come.
Posted By: EileenL Re: So glad I found you! - 10-02-2019 11:54 PM
Thanks so much!
Posted By: KristenS Re: So glad I found you! - 10-03-2019 03:12 PM
I went on a trip with my PEG tube (during treatment, yeah, kind of stupid, but it kept me sane) ... it was weird, but it worked. I just took breaks when I needed, and sat apart to fill 'er up ... then just chatted with others on lunch break. (It was a woodcarver's retreat, so kind of a different setting.) I can eat more foods now, though without teeth (haven't got my dentures working yet, been a year on that) ... that's been hard socially and calorically. I'm a Scout leader, and I need my food. Plus everyone always wants to eat, and ... it's hard to go places where I can find something that is safe for a post-cancer mouth (even just the spices, never mind the textures).

But you learn to make allowances, and hopefully those around you will too. Yeah, I cry about it too. A lot. People ask stupid questions. My husband keeps thinking it will get better. (Since we are several years out, my taste buds are where they are ... that's not gonna change. The teeth, that might get better.) So he's gotta learn not to push. But overall, folks are getting used to making accommodations ... and I am learning how to advocate so I am not so uncomfortable.
Posted By: EileenL Re: So glad I found you! - 10-03-2019 03:43 PM
That was some great info, Kristen. Can I ask how long it was before you were really able to eat anything after treatment. Bob is only eight weeks out and I try to tell him he has to be patient. His body is still healing and the muscles have to relearn how to work, right? Since he still has the PEG tube, the calories aren't an issue but I think the social side of it is really getting to him.
Posted By: KristenS Re: So glad I found you! - 10-03-2019 06:49 PM
It's hard to remember for sure (memory really does flake out on you) but I had the tube installed in January and it was removed in June of my treatment year, so it was perhaps shorter than some. I did work up through the liquids and soft foods, and it did take time. I didn't fully lose my swallow function, but I couldn't actually eat anything (I was still able to sip some water though, and that helped) ... it takes longer if you have to build that back up. I do still have issues with reflux and random bits of choking; I think most of us here do. (There are plenty of people who get past that, but they aren't the ones who stay and hang out on forums like this ... don't let our stats scare you, because this is a biased group!) I lost less during surgery than some folks though (and while I am typing, it isn't letting me see your first post, so I can't go back and see how I compare to what your husband went through ... the more invasive, the longer it will take to heal, of course ... more to build back up, more to get used to).

It is worth the effort to keep trying, though. It does help. There are no guarantees on how MUCH it will help, but it does help. My therapist helped some with speech, some with swallowing, and some with breaking up the scar tissue to ease my neck ... that last was worth it right there, and I wish I could still go to her ... I can do some of what she did at home, but not as good as she did! Anyway, it is good to keep on keeping on. Healing is a pain in the butt, but worth it.
Posted By: PaulB Re: So glad I found you! - 10-04-2019 05:35 PM
EileenL,

Congratulations on your husband completing treatment as well as yourself for doing so much for him to get there!! That was a lot that your husbands been through, and unfortionatly, it’s the gift that keeps on giving!

There are some things that may help!

Sleeping on an incline such as an incline bed or devise designed for it.

My lymphdemia was so bad that I slept in a recliner chair

Darn phone needs charging
Posted By: EileenL Re: So glad I found you! - 10-15-2019 12:23 PM
Thanks so much for the info and the pep talks! Paul, you are so right about the gift that keeps on giving. Wish I could return this gift! The lymphadema therapy is really going well and Bob seems to be a bit more comfortable these days. I think his sleeping issues might be more related to anxiety. Just my opinion. His three month scans are approaching and we're both pretty nervous about that. But on the bright side, Bob ate some applesauce at the speech therapist's last week and is now allowed to practice at home with applesauce. They gave him a glossectomy spoon which is a pretty cool little contraption and that seemed to really help. Small victories!
Posted By: ConnieT Re: So glad I found you! - 10-15-2019 04:10 PM
your story sounds like the same one as my husband's but he is a year out from all treatments. He went through a lot of swallowing issues because he didn't see the need to do the exercises he had been given before treatment even started. The speech pathologist told him it might be too late to get swallowing reflex back but I will tell you that she scared him enough to follow thru with the exercises and now, there isn't anything he cannot eat or swallow. The lymphodema is gone after using some kind of machine? I never saw it so I have no idea what it looked like. Even most of the coughing has died down and while he carries a pop with him most of the time, I think it's mostly because he wants one to drink, not because he needs it.

There is light at the end of the tunnel, it's just a slow moving tunnel. Best wishes

ETA mine did not have any surgery. just radiation and chemo.
Posted By: ArdenDD Re: So glad I found you! - 10-16-2019 11:55 AM
This is so helpful to know! My husband is just 9 weeks out from ending chemo & rad treatment and just began. Ring able to swallow small amounts of liquid last week with little to no pain. He’s talking more, has facial hair again and we’re hoping these signs point to a very slow but gradual healing. We know it will be some time before he’s able to transition off the g-tube. What kinds of soft foods were successful for him and did the transition to all foods take all of that year?
Posted By: ChristineB Re: So glad I found you! - 10-16-2019 02:48 PM
We have on ongoing list of the best foods for patients who have eating problems or are relearning how to eat after rads/surgeries. These foods have a smoother texture and can be a bit bland but for someone who can barely swallow and/or has painful mouth sores they work great....

OCFs List of Easy to Eat Foods


Posted By: ArdenDD Re: So glad I found you! - 10-16-2019 07:24 PM
Thank you!
Posted By: EileenL Re: So glad I found you! - 10-29-2019 07:16 PM
Thanks so much for the replies! The calm and practical way everyone on this site responds is very reassuring. Things have improved a bit in the last couple weeks. Bob had another swallow test and did really well. Speech therapist has recommended that he can start on some soft foods (soup, ice cream, milkshakes, etc.) The lymphadema seems to be improving too though he's still not sleeping well. I guess you can't have everything. His anxiety is pretty intense right now with all the follow up scans so I'm sure that's not helping. He's also going to have his first PET scan tomorrow. Our insurance would not cover one earlier because he was not considered "high risk". Two days after a CT scan, they agreed to cover it so that makes us both nervous but I try to remember not to worry about things I can't control and hope for the best. Thank you again!
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