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mightymouse #98051 06-24-2009 12:59 PM
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David,
I have not seen any studies that link pot to SCC, in fact I have heard of studies that exclude it from being a causitive factor.

Back to the original thread. If the diarrhea is bad enough you may want to consider rehydration in the infusion unit. It's far faster and more comfortable then going to the ER.

Nausea is tricky to manage. Some anti-emetics are more effective than others. Even Zofran only works 60% of the time, according to the manufacturer. There are also time limits to the effectiveness of some anti-emetics so they must be changed from time to time. Anti-acids may help.

If PEG feeding slow the feed rate and stay elevated while feeding. Speak with the MO and then the nutritionist for other ideas.

Try the BRAT diet to manage the diarhrea. Maybe Lomitil would help -ask your doctor.


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Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy)
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Gary,

Every time I teach a class with my RO, Dr Trotti at Moffitt, he puts up a slide on the causes of SCC and right there is marijuana. Perhaps I jumped the gun on the word studies but how else would he have concluded pot was a cause unless it was documented somewhere.


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Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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well there have been studies that have shown that smoking releases carcinogens that cause cancer however other studies show that caniboids actually can help fight cancer...to me you can find a study for anything.

Smoking anything in my opinion is unhealthy. The vaporizing is great because you are only getting the THC and there is no carcinogens released.

Yes you can get high from eating pot, cooking it releases more of the THC however you can get high from chewing it although it's not really effective


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Here's a study, that I missed where they PAY you $600 to smoke 3 joints a day (you know it can't be very good pot if you can smoke 3 whole joints a day - it was grown by the Fed at their pot farm and had "moderate" THC content - probably the same as low grade Mexican pot)!

http://news.ucsf.edu/releases/ucsf-testing-medical-marijuana-for-cancer-pain/

They also did one in 2006 for the vapor form of it.

Needless to say, medical use of marijuana is controversial and some studies claim a link to H&N cancer although I haven't been able to find any numbers or statistics. It would make sense that anything that irritates the head and neck area could have a mutagegenic effect, alcohol containing mouthwash, Nyquil, hot drinks, even excessively cold drinks I have read (to name a few).
I have a agree with Eric that you can find a study that will tell you what you want to know. The double blind, scientific unbiased studies are what is really needed.


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Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy)
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I did not even see pot until after I had finished college and thankfully so because I would probably still be in college if I had tried it then. Three joints a day...I guess you have to work in a restaurant to participate in that study. lol


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Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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There's the rub - you had to remain in the hosptial for the entire study - so munchies meant hospital food.


Gary Allsebrook
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Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy)
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Well well well. I am surprised equally that David got through college without inhaling. Thanks Gary for the study reference. Here is one a year later from Calif NORML on the Volcano vapor being mostly THC with none of the carciogens that go with Cancer study. I was going to let this drop until I saw David's post about a doctor listing marijuana as causing oral cancer since if that were true, this board would be mostly Rastfarian, or Dutch posters. I have seen lots of studies in favor of vaporization yet never seen one valid study showing pot to cause cancer of any sorts. Norml health claims
EricS: I started out my legal career working for a State Attorney General'a office and got involved in the early studies showing how marijuana prohibition would destroy the integrity of police departments plus disqualify good applicants plus the dangers of making drug use from "malum prohibitum" into a "malum per se" (Fancy lawyer latin for evil because a law says so as compared to evil because of its nature; example: drinking under 21 compared to murder)
don't forget when I started college LSD was legal and by law school you would have thought pot was legal the way the students and teachers smoked at parties. ah, the old daze
Seriously, while I am sticking with Zofran, the anecdotal evidence is quite high (bad pun) for vaporized marijuana being useful for nausea since there is no combustion and no smoke, therefore no carcinogenic PAHs (polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons).
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2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG
2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery
25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
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2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa
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While all you Liberal Arts hippie types threw Frisbees and smoked all day, we in the School of Business had to actually wear ties to class. I even HAD to take a class on what to wear in the business world....and the first CPA firm I worked for only permitted white dress shirts and dark suits.


David

Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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No liberal arts here, although I have respect for them. I went in for business and technology myself and started my professional career in tech support and worked my way to Sales and Consulting. I made it back into the hospitality industry and began to general manage and consult hotels. I lived in a Nautica tie and loved my Brooks Bros and Claiborne suits.

Now I can't do that anymore and none of my suits fit my skinny frame.


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Eric,

Don't throw your clothes away. I wasn't overweight for my height or frame pre Tx and I lost a ton of weight so nothing fit me for over a year post Tx and I thought this was going to me the way I weighed forever but then in my 2nd year of recovery I started to be able to gain weight and I am back to my old weight so some of the stuff I bought during my skinny period aren't comfortable to wear anymore.


David

Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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